Name: Santa Rosa City Council meeting, Oct 27, 2026
Start: 2026-10-27
End: 2026-10-27
Location: City of Santa Rosa

City Council

Tue, October 27, 2026

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Santa Rosa City Council — October 27, 2026

This was a regular evening meeting notable for substantial public engagement on two issues — immigrant community protections and surveillance camera policy — as well as approval of a major wastewater bond issuance. All seven councilmembers were present.

Capital Improvement Program Status Update (Item 8.1)

Deputy Director of Capital Projects Krista Seitler presented an update on the city's Capital Improvement Program (CIP). Since December 2025, the city has completed 14 projects, with a 15th (the Rubble Strong Cleaning Project) completed just two weeks prior. Highlighted completions included the Lower Colgan Creek Restoration Phase 3 (restoring 2,500 linear feet of creek with improved habitat, flood capacity, and a new pedestrian bridge), renovations of Dutch Floor and South Davis Neighborhood Parks, the Painter Creek HAWK crosswalk on Fulton Road, a new traffic signal at Hearn Avenue near Southwest Community Park, Sonoma Avenue pavement rehabilitation with new sidewalks and integrated bus platforms, and the reopening of Howarth Park's tennis and pickleball courts in September.

Approximately 20 projects are currently under construction, including two in-ground vehicle lifts at the fleet maintenance facility, the Highway 101 bike and pedestrian overcrossing (actively drilling pile foundations), and the Hearn Community Hub (new library and fire station in southwest Santa Rosa, anticipated completion summer 2027). Upcoming projects include the Bennett Valley Golf Course irrigation system, the Laguna Treatment Plant secondary clarifiers, Martin Luther King Jr. Neighborhood Park renovation, and the Oakmont pavement maintenance project.

Staff estimated the combined value of completed and in-construction projects over recent years at approximately $300 million. Councilmember Alvarez pushed back on public comment suggesting West Side neighborhoods are being neglected, stating from his knowledge that District 1 had received the most road repair funding of any district. Councilmember MacDonald renewed her longstanding request for a color-coded, district-by-district project tracker accessible to the public, noting it should also explain funding sources (e.g., gas tax vs. general fund).

Public comment from Dwayne DeWitt raised equity concerns about the Oakmont pavement project funding one of the county's wealthiest neighborhoods while West Side roads remain in poor condition. Nancy Lanza advocated for expanded dog parks, noting Sonoma County Animal Services had written nearly $500,000 in off-leash citations in the past year, signaling strong demand. This item was informational; no vote was taken.

City Council Actions Related to Community Safety and Civil Rights for Immigrant Communities (Item 8.2)

City Manager Jason Nutt introduced the item, followed by presentations from Assistant to the City Manager Lindsay Doherty and Assistant City Manager Dominique Lunkey. Staff summarized the city's record of actions since 2017, including: a 2017 resolution declaring Santa Rosa a "welcoming city"; SRPD policy revisions prohibiting officers from contacting or detaining individuals solely on immigration status; a 2018 resolution opposing family separation at the border; a February 2026 resolution urging Congress to strengthen immigration enforcement accountability; and an April 2026 ordinance affirming that civil immigration enforcement is not a city purpose.

Staff previewed a draft resolution to be brought to the November 10 council meeting. The resolution would establish a comprehensive framework governing how city employees interact with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), including training requirements, limits on information sharing, provisions for city contractors, and alignment with California Attorney General guidance (which requires cities to adopt model policies by early 2027 under SB 580). Staff explained the choice of a resolution over an ordinance amendment: a resolution governs internal employee policy and allows discipline through existing HR and personnel rules, whereas adding these provisions to an ordinance could trigger misdemeanor enforcement against employees and would require formal meet-and-confer negotiations with labor unions, significantly delaying implementation.

Public comment was extensive and passionate. Members of the Sonoma County Sanctuary Coalition — including Gabriela Hernandez (via Spanish-language interpretation), Alan Wilson, Pastor Lindsay Belcourt of Christ Church United Methodist, Kathleen Johnson of First Congregational UCC, and many others — uniformly called for an ordinance rather than a resolution, arguing that ordinances carry the force of law, impose real penalties, and send a clearer message of protection. Several speakers compared the current political climate to 1930s Europe. A musical performance by the group "Good Trouble" briefly interrupted proceedings, after which the mayor called a brief recess to restore order.

Council discussion was substantive. Councilmember Bañuelos said she believed an ordinance was achievable and that the council had originally signaled intent to strengthen the April ordinance. Councilmember Fleming said she was prepared to vote for an ordinance if that was what the community needed. Councilmember Alvarez emphasized that what matters is action and solidarity, not legal labels. Councilmember Rogers expressed frustration at the lack of concrete timelines and noted that for many community members, no document will feel sufficient given their fear of federal action. Vice Mayor Okrepkie suggested proceeding with the November 10 resolution while simultaneously beginning meet-and-confer for a future ordinance. Councilmember MacDonald asked whether a resolution and an ordinance amendment could be brought forward in tandem. Councilmember Rogers asked for specific return dates and milestones rather than open-ended commitments.

The city attorney clarified that the attorney general's guidance does not require an ordinance — it simply requires that training and non-cooperation policies be in place. She noted that other Bay Area cities are handling this through city manager policy alone, and that Petaluma used a resolution. Staff confirmed that if council directed them to pursue an ordinance instead, it could not be completed before the end of the calendar year given required labor negotiations.

Council direction: Proceed with the draft resolution for November 10; staff to also begin exploring what a future ordinance amendment might entail. No formal vote was taken on this item.

Report of Settlements and Active Litigation (Item 9.1)

City Attorney reported that there were no settlements or judgments to report for September 2026. As of October 12, 2026, the city had 47 active litigation matters; 6 had trial dates assigned; 5 cases are on appeal following rulings in the city's favor at the trial level. Informational only; no vote taken.

Consent Calendar (Items 13.1–13.3)

The council approved three consent items without discussion:

13.1: Resolution accepting the completed Vegetation Management project.

13.2: Resolution approving a first amendment to the professional services agreement with Holly (Civic Calling Corporation) for a labor costing module.

13.3: Resolution approving a professional services agreement with Burke, Williams & Sorensen, LLP for specialized labor and employment legal services (approved as a motion rather than a resolution per a staff modification noted at the meeting).

Vote: Moved by Vice Mayor Okrepkie, seconded by Councilmember Rogers. Passed 7–0.

Wastewater Revenue Bonds, Series 2026A (Item 15.1)

CFO Scott Wagner and Municipal Advisor Craig Hill presented a proposal for Santa Rosa Water to issue approximately $50 million in Wastewater Revenue Bonds (Series 2026A). The bonds would: (1) finance approximately $35 million of the Laguna Treatment Plant Electrical Infrastructure Improvement Project; (2) refund in full the outstanding Series 2014A and Series 2016A wastewater bonds; and (3) partially defease the Series 2002B bonds.

Key financial highlights: The restructuring releases $7 million in previously restricted reserve funds. It reduces anticipated debt service by approximately $3 million per year compared to earlier projections from the rate study. Total interest cost on the $35 million project is estimated at only $2.5 million, effectively compressing what would have been a 30-year financing into 11 years. Staff estimated cumulative short-term cash flow savings of approximately $12 million over four years compared to the original plan. Because the refunding savings do not meet the council's minimum savings threshold under Policy 000-58, the resolution includes a waiver of that requirement based on the broader financial benefits.

The resolution caps bond issuance at $55 million, the all-in interest rate at 4.5%, and underwriting costs at 0.5%. The city planned to go to market the week after the meeting, with bond closing anticipated around November 19. One member of the public (Marilyn) made a brief sardonic comment. Mayor Stapp noted that staff had identified these savings over 18 months of planning and called it a "phenomenal" result.

Vote: Moved by Councilmember Rogers, seconded by Councilmember MacDonald. Passed 7–0.

Request for Future Agenda Item: Automatic License Plate Readers (Item 11.2.1)

Councilmember Alvarez brought a request to place the city's Flock Safety license plate reader (LPR) contract on a future agenda for discussion prior to any renewal.

Public comment was lengthy and nearly unanimously opposed to the Flock system. Speakers from the Civil Liberties Task Force and Organizing Project cited: documented misuse by law enforcement officers nationally (e.g., tracking ex-partners, sharing data with ICE); privacy concerns about full-video capture beyond license plate reading; Flock's ties to Peter Thiel and Palantir; and the system's potential use as a tool of immigration enforcement. One speaker read from Flock's own policy language noting that data sharing decisions rest with the customer agency. Speakers called on the council not merely to schedule a discussion, but to cancel the contract immediately. Multiple speakers noted that the recent SRPD-hosted community forum on Flock was perceived as one-sided. Councilmember Bañuelos was thanked by several speakers for attending a Human Rights Commission panel on the topic.

Vote: Moved by Councilmember Alvarez, seconded by Councilmember Rogers. Passed 7–0 to place the LPR issue on a future agenda prior to any contract renewal.

Request for Future Agenda Item: Farm Animals Within City Limits (Item 11.2.2)

Councilmember MacDonald requested this item be brought forward to review the city's current ordinance (which relies on county rules) governing farm animals — specifically in response to ongoing complaints about roosters and noise in residential areas. Two public commenters spoke in favor of expanding rights to keep and sell produce from backyard animals, citing food sovereignty and climate resilience. Councilmember MacDonald clarified her goal is to review, not necessarily restrict, existing rules.

Vote: Moved by Councilmember MacDonald, seconded by Councilmember Bañuelos. Passed 6–0–1, with Councilmember Fleming abstaining.

Mayor and Councilmember Reports (Item 11.1)

Councilmember Fleming announced she was named "Change Maker of the Year" by Enterprise Community Partners for her work on renter and tenant protections in the Transit-Oriented Communities policy. Councilmember Bañuelos reported on attending the West End Quarterly meeting and participating in the Human Rights Commission's Flock panel. She also visited Credo High School to speak to a government class. Councilmember MacDonald reported from the Zero Waste Commission (October 15), noting upcoming HHW collection and repair events, and legislation targeting disposable vapes and nitrous oxide canisters. Councilmember Rogers highlighted the Floating Pumpkin Patch event (800+ participants) and thanked Vice Mayor Okrepkie for advancing equitable parks pricing. Vice Mayor Okrepkie highlighted SRPD's e-bike safety community meetings and the city's Biz Xpress networking event. Mayor Stapp echoed the Biz Xpress event and reminded the public of the trunk-or-treat event Thursday at the fairgrounds.

Non-Agenda Public Comment

Speakers raised two additional issues: Tom Sawyer (engineer) submitted documentation alleging significant errors in FEMA flood maps slated for adoption in 2027, specifically related to a culvert near Bennett Valley Golf Course that he argues was modeled incorrectly, potentially subjecting ~300 properties to inaccurate flood zone designations and insurance costs. Dwayne DeWitt again raised equity concerns about infrastructure investment in Roseland and the West Side. Two speakers raised concerns about the city's ongoing encampment sweeps, arguing that removing unhoused people's belongings ahead of the rainy season — especially tents, sleeping bags, and medications — constitutes a rights violation.

Key Takeaways

Immigrant community protections: Staff will bring a draft non-cooperation resolution to the November 10 meeting, aligned with SB 580 and the state AG's guidance. Council signaled strong interest in also pursuing a future ordinance amendment, though that will require labor negotiations and cannot be completed this year.

Wastewater bonds approved: The council unanimously approved issuing up to $55 million in Series 2026A Wastewater Revenue Bonds to fund a $35 million electrical infrastructure project at the Laguna Treatment Plant and refinance older debt — saving the city an estimated $12 million in near-term debt service compared to earlier projections.

Flock cameras headed for council review: A unanimous vote ensures the Flock Safety LPR contract will come before the full council for a substantive policy discussion before any renewal — a significant step given sustained community pressure for removal.

CIP momentum: The city has approximately $300 million in capital projects completed or under construction in recent years, with another round of projects going to bid in early 2027, including the Bennett Valley Golf Course irrigation system and major park renovations.

FEMA flood map concerns flagged: A community engineer submitted formal documentation alleging material errors in draft flood maps affecting ~300 Bennett Valley properties, a potential liability issue the council will need to monitor before 2027 adoption.

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What happened at this meeting

CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM STATUS UPDATE

# Capital Improvement Program Status Update Summary

Deputy Director of Capital Projects Krista Sientaller reported that 14 projects have been completed since December 2025, including Lower Colgan Creek restoration, neighborhood park renovations, road safety improvements, and Howth Park courts, with approximately 20 projects currently in construction including the Highway 101 bike and pedestrian overcrossing and the Hearn Community Hub (anticipated completion summer 2027). Staff also presented upcoming initiatives such as design-build procurement for Martin Luther King Junior Neighborhood Park and Oakmont pavement maintenance, with approximately $70 million in construction currently bid out, $110 million in ongoing construction, and roughly $300 million in total project value. However, public commenter Dwayne DeWitt from Roseland criticized the fund allocation as inequitable, arguing that $9 million for roads in wealthy Oakmont neighborhoods represents disproportionate investment compared to deteriorating infrastructure in older neighborhoods like Roseland and West Side. Councilmember Alvarez raised concerns about equitable distribution across the city's seven districts over the last four years, though she noted District 1 has received recent significant investment, while Councilmember MacDonald requested a visual status dashboard organized by district to improve community transparency about project status, timelines, and funding sources. Staff clarified that general tax dollars and gas tax revenues are allocated specifically for capital improvements, with council members appreciating the transparency regarding how different revenue streams are designated.

CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS RELATED TO COMMUNITY SAFETY AND CIVIL RIGHTS FOR IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES Staff will provide an update regarding City Council actions related to community safety and the civil rights of immigrant communities. The Council will not take formal action on this item but may discuss the information presented and provide direction to staff. This item has no impact on the current fiscal year budget.

# Summary: City Council Actions Related to Community Safety and Civil Rights for Immigrant Communities

City Manager Jason Nott and Assistant City Manager Lindsay Dougherty presented the city's historical and proposed actions on immigrant community protection, including a 2017 "visible city" resolution, 2018 police immigration enforcement policy revisions, and a comprehensive draft resolution scheduled for November 10th to establish a framework for ICE cooperation with non-cooperation provisions and employee training requirements. Council members debated whether a resolution alone would adequately protect immigrant communities or if a binding ordinance was necessary, with Council Member Ban and others arguing that an ordinance would provide stronger enforcement mechanisms, while the City Attorney clarified that a resolution is appropriate for internal staff training and personnel matters consistent with state law and Attorney General guidance. Multiple public commenters from the Sonoma County Sanctuary Coalition, including Gabriela Hernandez, Nicole (President of Santa Rosa Sanctuary Coalition), and others, called for a binding ordinance rather than a non-binding resolution, citing five specific demands: employee non-cooperation with ICE, written protocols, employee training, signage reflecting new protocols, and contractor compliance, with speakers referencing successful sanctuary ordinances in Berkeley, San Francisco, and Oakland as models. The Council agreed to move forward with the resolution in November while beginning the meet-and-confer process with labor unions to explore ordinance amendments, with Vice Mayor Fleming and Councilmember Donald requesting concrete timelines and clearer information about what an ordinance could accomplish beyond the resolution. Separately, public comment raised concerns about the city's 130+ FLOCK surveillance cameras funded through a $1.3 million police department contract, with speakers warning of ICE illegal access to the data and calling for immediate removal of the cameras to protect immigrant communities from racial profiling and warrantless surveillance.

REPORT OF SETTLEMENTS AND ACTIVE LITIGATION The City Attorney will report on all settlements authorized by Council in closed session that were finalized in September 2026, which includes but may not be limited to all settlements or judgments requiring the City to pay more than $50,000. The City Attorney will also provide a summary of pending litigation against the City.

# Summary: Report of Settlements and Active Litigation

The City Attorney reported on settlements and active litigation for September 2026, noting there were no settlements or judgments to report for that month. As of October 12, 2026, the city had 47 active litigation matters, with 6 cases assigned trial dates and 5 cases currently on appeal following favorable rulings at the trial level. The Council moved to Item 9.1 to hear this report, though the full staff presentation was not captured in the transcript. No council members raised questions or concerns, and no public comment was made on this item.

MAYOR'S/COUNCIL MEMBERS' SUBCOMMITTEE AND LIAISON REPORTS (AND POSSIBLE COUNCIL DIRECTION TO BOARD REPRESENTATIVE ON PENDING ISSUES, IF NEEDED) 11.1.1 Council Subcommittee Reports 11.1.2 Sonoma County Transportation and Climate Authorities (SCTCA) 11.1.3 Sonoma County Water Agency (SCWA) - Water Advisory Committee 11.1.4 Association of Bay Area Governments (ABAG)

Councilmember Fleming reported on transit-oriented communities policy work and shared that Enterprise Community Partners recognized him as a change maker of the year for his championing of renter and tenant protections. Councilmember Willis attended a West End quarterly meeting and learned about infrastructure projects including a roundabout in the district, and participated in a flock forum organized by the Human Rights Commission with Chief Cregan and other officials. Willis also visited Credo High School to speak to a civics class about government and voting. Councilmember Macdonald reported on a Ways to Zero meeting on October 15th, discussing upcoming waste collection and repair events on November 10th and 14th, and shared updates on legislation regarding nickel vapes, e-bike batteries, and nitrous oxide canister sales. Councilmember Rogers reported attending a floating pumpkin patch event on October 17th with over 800 participants and thanked staff for equitable Santa Rosa initiatives that allow residents of all income levels to access parks and recreation activities equally.

REPORT - ISSUANCE OF WASTEWATER REVENUE BONDS, SERIES 2026A AND RELATED DOCUMENTS AND ACTIONS BACKGROUND: Santa Rosa Water proposes that the City issue the Series 2026A Bonds to: (i) finance approximately $35 million of the Laguna Treatment Plant Electrical Infrastructure Improvement Project; (ii) refund in full the outstanding City of Santa Rosa Wastewater Revenue Bonds, Series 2014A (Series 2014A Bonds) and Series 2016A (Series 2016A Bonds); and (iii) partially defease the City’s outstanding Wastewater Revenue Bonds, Series 2002B (Series 2002B Bonds). Staff recommends this financing structure to fund the electrical infrastructure improvements, reduce aggregate near-term debt service, release available reserve funds, improve debt-service coverage, and provide flexibility in structuring future wastewater debt. Because the estimated savings from the refunding do not satisfy the minimum savings threshold established by Council Policy 000-58, the proposed resolution would waive that requirement based on the other financial benefits of the financing structure.

# Summary

Staff presented on the issuance of approximately $50-55 million in wastewater revenue bonds (Series 2026A) to fund $35 million in capital projects and refinance $25 million in prior debt. The financing strategy includes releasing $7 million from reserves and restructuring existing bonds to achieve approximately $3 million in annual savings and $2.5 million in total interest costs, with additional long-term savings of approximately $19 million. Staff requested Council approval of resolutions with parameters including a $55 million cap, 4.5% interest rate ceiling, and 0.5% underwriting cost limits, with plans to go to market after the election for funding by mid-November 2026. The city is taking a conservative 10-11 year maturity approach rather than the typical 30-year financing model, providing substantial capacity for future infrastructure needs. The Mayor and Council members requested clarifying questions about other debt obligations and a public-facing summary of financial benefits.

Agenda items (16)

Procedural (7)

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12.1ProceduralOctober 7, 2026, Special Meeting Minutes.

The council will review and approve the official minutes from the October 7, 2026 special meeting.

↓ Draft Minutes

12.2ProceduralOctober 13, 2026, Regular Meeting Minutes.

The council will review and approve the official minutes from the October 13, 2026 regular meeting.

21.1ProceduralUPCOMING MEETINGS LIST *Did not appear on the preliminary agenda. **Quasi-judicial or adjudicative action, ex-parte communication disclosure is required. The Open Government Ordinance was adopted by City Council in December 2020 (ORD-2020-018) and amended in July 2021 (ORD-2021-007). These ordinances added and amended Chapter 1-10 to the City Code to codify the City of Santa Rosa's commitment to embrace a culture of open government to ensure public trust, engage the community, and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. To view a full versions of the Open Government Ordinances go to http://srcity.org/OpenGovOrdinance and http://srcity.org/OpenGovOrdinanceAmend. To request paper copies of the Open Government Ordinances contact the City Clerk's Office at 707-543-3015 (TTY Relay at 711) or cityclerk@srcity.org. The City of Santa Rosa does not discriminate against individuals (including member(s) of a legislative body) with disabilities in its employment, services, benefits, facilities, programs, or activities. Requests for accommodations, auxiliary aids, or services necessary to participate in a City program, service, or activity, including printed information in alternate formats, are available by contacting the City Clerk's Office at 707-543-3015 (TTY Relay at 711) or cityclerk@srcity.org. The e-mail subject line should read "ADA Accommodation Request" or "Language Assistance" and the e-mail should include your name, address, telephone number, and a description of the request. If the request is received at least seven (7) business days prior to the City Council meeting, the copy shall be provided no later than two (2) business days prior to the City Council meeting. Meeting information can also be accessed via the internet at http://srcity.org. Any writings or documents provided to a majority of the City Council prior to this meeting regarding any item on this agenda, excluding closed session items, are available for public review in the City Clerk's Office, Room 10, City Hall, 100 Santa Rosa

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General Business

8.1General BusinessCAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM STATUS UPDATE

Staff will update the council on the status of the city's capital improvement program, which tracks major city infrastructure and construction projects.

What happened

↓ Presentation

8.2General BusinessCITY COUNCIL ACTIONS RELATED TO COMMUNITY SAFETY AND CIVIL RIGHTS FOR IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES Staff will provide an update regarding City Council actions related to community safety and the civil rights of immigrant communities. The Council will not take formal action on this item but may discuss the information presented and provide direction to staff. This item has no impact on the current fiscal year budget.

Staff will report on city council actions taken to support immigrant community safety and civil rights; the council will discuss but not vote on this informational item.

What happened

9.1General BusinessREPORT OF SETTLEMENTS AND ACTIVE LITIGATION The City Attorney will report on all settlements authorized by Council in closed session that were finalized in September 2026, which includes but may not be limited to all settlements or judgments requiring the City to pay more than $50,000. The City Attorney will also provide a summary of pending litigation against the City.

The City Attorney will report on all legal settlements finalized in September 2026 where the city paid more than $50,000, and will summarize pending lawsuits against the city.

What happened

11.1General BusinessMAYOR'S/COUNCIL MEMBERS' SUBCOMMITTEE AND LIAISON REPORTS (AND POSSIBLE COUNCIL DIRECTION TO BOARD REPRESENTATIVE ON PENDING ISSUES, IF NEEDED) 11.1.1 Council Subcommittee Reports 11.1.2 Sonoma County Transportation and Climate Authorities (SCTCA) 11.1.3 Sonoma County Water Agency (SCWA) - Water Advisory Committee 11.1.4 Association of Bay Area Governments (ABAG)

Council members will report on their work with local subcommittees and regional agencies including the Sonoma County Transportation and Climate Authorities, Water Agency, and Bay Area Governments Association.

What happened

11.2General BusinessMATTERS FROM COUNCIL REGARDING FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS 11.2.1 REQUEST FOR AGENDA ITEM REGARDING AUTOMATIC LICENSE

Council members can request that specific topics be added to future meeting agendas for discussion or action.

15.1General BusinessREPORT - ISSUANCE OF WASTEWATER REVENUE BONDS, SERIES 2026A AND RELATED DOCUMENTS AND ACTIONS BACKGROUND: Santa Rosa Water proposes that the City issue the Series 2026A Bonds to: (i) finance approximately $35 million of the Laguna Treatment Plant Electrical Infrastructure Improvement Project; (ii) refund in full the outstanding City of Santa Rosa Wastewater Revenue Bonds, Series 2014A (Series 2014A Bonds) and Series 2016A (Series 2016A Bonds); and (iii) partially defease the City’s outstanding Wastewater Revenue Bonds, Series 2002B (Series 2002B Bonds). Staff recommends this financing structure to fund the electrical infrastructure improvements, reduce aggregate near-term debt service, release available reserve funds, improve debt-service coverage, and provide flexibility in structuring future wastewater debt. Because the estimated savings from the refunding do not satisfy the minimum savings threshold established by Council Policy 000-58, the proposed resolution would waive that requirement based on the other financial benefits of the financing structure.

Santa Rosa Water is requesting the city issue $35 million in bonds to upgrade electrical infrastructure at the Laguna Treatment Plant and refinance older debt from 2002, 2014, and 2016.

What happened

Consent Calendar

13.1Consent CalendarRESOLUTION - ACCEPTANCE OF THE COMPLETED VEGETATION

The council will vote to accept a completed vegetation management or landscaping project.

13.2Consent CalendarRESOLUTION - FIRST AMENDMENT TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT NUMBER F003164 WITH HOLLY (CIVIC CALLING CORPORATION) FOR LABOR COSTING MODULE

The council will approve an amendment to a contract with a software company (Civic Calling Corporation) to add a labor cost tracking module to their system.

↓ Exhibit A

↓ Resolution

↓ Staff Report

The city is adding a labor-costing module to its existing Holly software platform to prepare for complex negotiations with 14 employee bargaining units beginning in January 2027, which will allow staff to model pay proposals and cost impacts more accurately than the current spreadsheet-based system. The amendment costs $22,500 (prorated for nine months through June 2027), bringing the total contract to $118,500, and will be paid from existing budget appropriations. This targeted software upgrade will give Human Resources and Finance Departments the efficiency and transparency needed to conduct simultaneous negotiations across multiple employee groups.

13.3Consent CalendarRESOLUTION - APPROVAL OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH BURKE, WILLIAMS & SORENSEN, LLP, FOR SPECIALIZED LABOR AND EMPLOYMENT LEGAL SERVICES RECOMMENDATION: The Human Resources Department and City Attorney’s Office recommend that the Council, by resolution, approve a Professional Services Agreement with Burke, Williams & Sorensen, City of Santa Rosa Regular Meeting Agenda and Summary Report

The council will hire the law firm Burke, Williams & Sorensen to provide specialized employment and labor law advice to the city.

Additional votes recorded in minutes

Approve consent calendar items 13.1 through 13.3

aye 7

Caroline Bañuelosaye

Dianna MacDonaldaye

Eddie Alvarezaye

Jeff Okrepkieaye

Mark Stappaye

Natalie Rogersaye

Victoria Flemingaye

Adopt resolution authorizing issuance of Wastewater Revenue Bonds Series 2026

aye 7

Caroline Bañuelosaye

Dianna MacDonaldaye

Eddie Alvarezaye

Jeff Okrepkieaye

Mark Stappaye

Natalie Rogersaye

Victoria Flemingaye

Request for agenda item regarding automatic license plate readers (Flock cameras)

aye 7

Caroline Bañuelosaye

Dianna MacDonaldaye

Eddie Alvarezaye

Jeff Okrepkieaye

Mark Stappaye

Natalie Rogersaye

Victoria Flemingaye

Request for agenda item regarding farm animals within city limits

aye 6 · abstain 1

Caroline Bañuelosaye

Dianna MacDonaldaye

Eddie Alvarezaye

Jeff Okrepkieaye

Mark Stappaye

Natalie Rogersaye

Victoria Flemingabstain

Approve minutes of October 7 and October 13, 2026

abstain 1 · aye 1

Dianna MacDonaldabstain

voice voteaye

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Back to you. >> Welcome everyone. In the time is 404 and we will call this meeting to order a city clerk. Would you please call the roll? >> Thank you, Mayor. Councilmember Rogers. Councilmember MacDonald here, Councilmember Fleming Councilmember Ben Willows here, Councilmember Alvarez, PRESIDENT Vice Mayor Okrepkie Mayor stat here. Let the record reflect all councilmembers are present. >> Thank you very much. All right. We're going jump ahead right away to an 8.1, our Capital Improvement program status update. I think we have deputy director seeking teller here. Chris, to welcome. >> Good afternoon. Mayor staff members of the council. I'm Krista seeing taller deputy director of Capital Projects, Engineering. And I'm here today to provide you with the Capital Improvement program.

Update. So since my last presentation in DECEMBER of 2025, we've completed the 14 project shown here on this line. Additionally, 2 weeks ago, we also issued a notice of completion for the rubble, strong claiming project. I'm not going to read through every single one of these projects, but I will highlight several of them over the next few slides. So first up is the lower Colgan Creek restoration phase 3. This project was completed earlier this year. I know a few of you are at the ribbon cutting in MAY. The project restored approximately 2500 linear feet of Colgan Creek and improved riparian habitat increase flood capacity and provided us with a new bicycle and pedestrian path, including the pedestrian bridge spanning over the creek that you can see in the photo. Next up, our park projects this year we completed renovations of Dutch floor

neighborhood Park, South Davis, Neighborhood Park. And also we replace the play structures at Cook School Park. I also want to highlight some of our road safety improvements. The Painter Creek crossing Hawk, which is the high intensity activated crosswalk was went online in JULY. This provides a connection for the trail along Pine or creek across Fulton Road. Also pictured here on the right is the traffic signal Hearn Avenue in front of Southwest Community Park. This project improved access to the park for pedestrians and vehicles and general just improved the efficiency of the center section. The Sonoma Avenue pavement, rehab project. This one spans just one block over by Montgomery Village. It's a small footprint, but it was a big improvement. We added sidewalks where there were no sidewalks. We also added the

integrated modular bus platforms. These are prefabricated and they go together kind of like Lego pieces. They create a boarding platform for transit users and also allow for space for cyclists to get through. We also added the decorative crosswalk shown here which bridges the 2 sides of Montgomery Village. And then lastly, how Earth Park tennis and pickleball courts this opened early SEPTEMBER. Definitely been getting a lot of use. Moving on to projects that are currently in construction. Again, I want read through all of these, but we have approximately 20 projects that are currently in the construction phase. Highlighting just some of pictured. Here is the garage hoist project. We're installing 2 in-ground heavy duty vehicle lifts in our fleet maintenance facility. This project will improve the

operational efficiency and safety for our fleet maintenance team. The highway 101 bike and pedestrian overcrossing is well underway there. Currently drilling piles on the east side and on the West side, they are forming up and pouring the columns. Pictured here is one of the rebar cages for the one of the pile foundations. And so one of the drill breaks. And then work also continues on the Hearn community. Have this will be the new library and for fire station in Southwest Santa Rosa. We're anticipating completing this project and summer of next year. And then my last slide here is upcoming projects. I tried to capture him. Most of what's going to be early in 2027. A couple of these projects are actually already currently advertised. The Bennett Valley Golf Course irrigation system. The bids for that will open next week

and the lt p secondary clarify ERs project for that the following week. 2 of the projects on this list will be going out through designed build procurement. So that's the Martin Luther King Junior neighborhood Park renovation and also the Oakmont pavement maintenance project. Both of those should be in construction next year. And that concludes my presentation. I'd be happy to answer any questions. Thank you. >> Thank you. This is just an incredible amount building on this. This presentation, if anything seems to under sell the the amazing work that the tpb team is doing. So thank you very much. Alternate to council for any questions. As Ben >> Thank Just want to say echo what the mayor just said. It just fantastic. All these different projects that have been completed in even the

ones that are coming. It's a tremendous amount of work. Thank you all for that. I just had a really quick question about something that's not on here. But something like I caught at my town hall in our notes that staff gave us. And I mentioned it to a community group. I was talking to who's going to be affected by it. And it was a question about around look at Director Hennessy around about that will go >> North debt night. I was probably West night just wanted to ask about that because I didn't know that was happening and they got very excited about it. So just wondered if you had any thoughts about it or any information about it. >> I believe that project is early in the design phase. I really don't have more information than that. >> was just curious about that. Maybe can ask about it

later. But but again, thank you for all these projects. Just looks fantastic, Thank you. >> Yeah, I'd be happy to follow up with you with more information on that one. >> Thank you. Other questions from council. Just just one for me. So at many of our meetings recently, we we've tossed out to the public that we've put out more than 200 million dollars in projects for out for bid over the last couple of years. Some of those projects are on this list. Let me put you and and on the spot here now that now these lists of projects, these represent more than 200 million dollars in terms of in terms cost and economic benefit to the community off the cough. Would you have a rough estimate of the dollar value for these for these projects to one just the ones that are shown on the slides. >> So too bid this to date

this year bid out, we had approximately 70 million dollars in construction currently, which doesn't include everything we've completed this year. We have about 110 million dollars. So if you look at the past couple of years, including everything we've closed out. >> If the completed projects don't give a rough ballpark number for completed projects in the past couple years. I have to go back more than a year to have that number at the time when that was a tough one of 24 from slot. Dan. Dan, you have a number of the back of your head. You want to share? How many? What was the 100 Million? So 100 and plus 70 plus than 110. You said today of that that I have this figure is correct. >> 110 currently in construction 110. So we're talking 300 million, maybe that roughly 300 million dollars in terms of dollar

value. The projects on the slide sets in the in the ballpark Waste. >> You don't have to you don't have to you know, you don't have to cop to it. I think we I think we're getting close. But again, for the public just to underline how significant this is for our community and it is getting noticed. People see that center building. So thank you. Thank Thank you very much. Thank you, Dan. Thanks to entire tv w team. Let's go to public comment. Are there any members of the public here in council chamber in council chambers who wish to make comment on this item. Duane want kick us off and then Nancy. You got to wait for the clock. There are all about the time. >> Hello, my name is Dwayne DeWitt from Roseland. I want to thank you for that report. You just got I wanted to point out a couple things that are really important. The

9 million dollars for Oakmont roads, Oakmont roads are about 60 years old. They're getting that money. But across on the other side of the tracks over there in Roseland and the West and neighborhoods, roads are older than the Oakmont roads and they're beat to h# # # and it's like, why can't you help us over there? This money that goes to Oakmont? That's one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the entire county. And yet over there on the West side, on the other side of the tracks, we're not getting the things we need. So we're hoping that you don't look at that. As you call it as something that helps the entire neighborhood. That's for those new folks moving in down to the south. They're in the Bill View district. And it's really important that we look at it. The fact you folks

are actually stretched really thin on your budget. Stretched so thin. You're asking for tax increases. You say, hey, we got to have more money to pay for the things we got to pay for and we can't give you all the services you need unless you give us the tax. Well, that doesn't ring true to a lot of us. That's like, wait a second here. You're proud that you're spending millions upon millions of dollars on projects in various places, but they're going to the wealthiest people in the city rather than to the folks who really need on the West side. The other side of the tracks, some folks will call that the wrong side of the tracks. But I actually consider it the best side of the tracks. I think we got culture over there. And I think if we could get you folks to spend the money and a more balanced way, we could get some really positive things going over

there and rolls on, especially along Sebastopol Road where you've got a section in the downtown specific area plan, Sebastopol Road to help that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. To Wayne. >> Let's go into our next public comment before you come back to council >> Nancy? Hi, my name is Nancy Lanza. I'm just here. Didn't even though it's going to be here till about 35 minutes ago, when I figured out and finally found the agenda on your website, which by the way, needs some work in that area. But I'm here to ask the question of you. How many millions of dollars have you spent on pickleball and tennis courts recently? >> Versus how many players of pickleball and tennis do we have in the city limits? Think about that. Millions of dollars spent on pickleball and tennis. I'm a firm believer in outdoor sports. I

played sports my entire life. i played into college and I still play sports. I watch my kids play sports. I volunteer all the time of the kind of good stuff. But my question for you is how many dog owners are in Santa Rosa? I'm a dog parks to have how many capital dollars to have and Purchase money that you have available through bombs and measures and things like that. Have you spent on your dog parks recently? The answer is pretty much 0. There are no covered spaces and dog parks. Dog parks are incredibly small. If you happen to have a Labrador retriever like I have who loves to run. There's no space for her to run except for Doyle Park between 06:00am and 08:00am no sane woman is going to be a park at 07:00am in the dark. They're just not going to be there. That's ridiculous. Task is to be there. I appreciate the fact that they're homeless that

need to be housed somewhere. They frequently quietly underneath the benches and they have a right to be somewhere safe and warm and that's where they find it. They find it as long as they're peaceful and quiet and pick up south. But no sane woman is going to be a park at 07:00am in the morning without risking her safety, even with others around. So I ask that you consider. The fact that the Sonoma County Animal Services has written almost a half a million dollars in tickets. The off-leash dog owners in the last year. What that's telling you is that there is a demand for this opportunity to have larger and or morph larger dog parks and or more frequent hours oil. One of your opportunities is at Northwest Community Park were Comstock. Middle School is now closed. And I believe the boundaries of Comstock include the track for the

park. I believe the park is part of it and you can buy and you could make that happen. >> Thank you, Nancy. Before next public comment that you want to turn it over to Councilmember Alvarez who wanted to at a piece of information. >> Thank you, mayor, for me. It's a question in air, especially the districts of city centers. We have 7 of them and the last 4 years to have the breakdown of the month is being invested into every one of those districts and specifically infrastructure and road repair. >> I don't have the specific breakdown off the top of my head that those are numbers that we could. >> Get for you. All right. I'll pull it off my recollection to my recollection, no district of the city of Santa Rosa received more money for road

repair, the district So I definitely have to correct the narrative. >> That we used to we used to be that that part of Santa Rosa. I'm sorry. The parcel of county. >> That was not being paid attention to. We were the unwanted stepchild. Those things have changed. Thanks to the staff and the council Santa Rosa when it comes just one. And I believe that even Burbank Avenue had never had a sidewalk. Now and joins a sidewalk Sebastopol Road, which I'd live on, never had a street swept which now get swept regularly. We have an amount of infrastructure that's coming to district one far from the needs that he leads. But to say that we have not invested into district one would be inaccurate. And I could state with the most correct. Thank you very much. Councilmember Councilmember MacDonald.

>> You want me to be? I was actually calling or wanted to ask you, could you tell me if there's like a data point or something we have on our website that shows the current jobs and where they're at or what we've done even over the last 5 years. So that community members know what's coming up in their district or or what's happening right now and what we then doing. >> Yes, we do have a capital projects page that has a list of projects out of all projects. There's also a GIs page. The city has the has projects. >> Okay. I'm gonna make this request again. And Dan's heard me say this for several years now. Dan, what is it that I'd like to have? A red yellow green. I like a broken up by district all the projects that we're going to have. So that community members can actually see what we've been working on and what we are going to be

working on. And I think that if it's red, we haven't started it. We tell the community yellow, it's in process. And then when it might be completed in green will be done. And I think form of communication would help a lot of and the narrative so that they're accurately the what's actually happening in all of our districts, but then also have an idea of how long that construction might be happening on Calistoga Road are where it's at and that process just as a form of communication. I know be great for as a council member since we get question about all the great work that you're doing. But this is a good update for us to have to see all that we're doing in the city. I think it also be great if on that same Web site data point we show where the money comes from because capital improvement money doesn't come from general money in general.

And so I think that information would be great information for the public to have as well. So that they're very clear about where we can use general tax dollars for says tax dollars that come in from gas tax and those things that we really do, use that money for capital improvement. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. We're back to our regularly scheduled public comment. Are there any other members of the public hearing Council chambers who wish to speak? Seeing none? We'll go online. MADAM Zuma, host does anybody online have their hands raised or down star 9? >> That's a negative mayor. >> Alright, we'll close public comment. We've had a few and will bring back to the dance we had a few comments already. Any final comments or questions from council on this item. All right. Well, again, thank you for all the amazing

work. Thank Thank you for taking a few questions off the bounce. But the city of Saint Rose is going to continue to build. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right. We'll move on to item regarding city council actions related to community safety and civil rights for immigrant communities. And I believe we have our city manager Jason, not and then Lindsey Dougherty making the presentation. I thank you, Mayor. I'm going to just do a quick introduction then I'm gonna pass it over to assistant to the city manager Lindsay Dority and assistant city Manager. >> Dominick, donkey at the last council meeting. There was a quest for city staff to return with information relating to the work that's been done associated with our community safety ends and civil rights. And our recommendation was to bring a staff presentation. Our staff

briefing to you. Lindsay will be providing that here shortly. That would just kind of co late all of the materials that we've done recently and provide you with idea of what's coming up along this issue. And so with that, I'm gonna pass it over to Lindsey. Thank you. >> Good afternoon, Mayor members of council, my name is Lindsay Doherty, assistant to the city manager. And with me today is Dominique on Key assistant city manager. And today we will provide a brief overview of actions. The city is taking to support immigrant communities, summarize resources currently available to the public and preview a resolution that staff will bring forward for your consideration on NOVEMBER. 10th. The intent of this presentation is to provide a factual overview of the city's action to date. And the next step is currently underway.

All right. So the city has taken several actions over the past decade to address immigration enforcement and protection of our community. In FEBRUARY of 2017 council adopted a resolution declaring Santa Rosa a visible city. This resolution affirmed the city's commitment to protecting civil rights, safety and dignity of all residents, including immigrants and expressed opposition to immigration-related actions that undermine community trust. Later on that same year, the Santa Rosa Police Department revised its immigration enforcement policy. The policy clarified that officers MAY not contact detain question or arrest someone solely because of suspected undocumented status and MAY not prolong custody solely to notify immigration authorities. On JULY 17th of 2018 council adopted a

resolution opposing separation of children from their families at the us-Mexico border and urged federal officers to end the practice and pursue legislative action more recently in FEBRUARY of 2026. This year council adopted a resolution urging Congress to strengthen immigration enforcement standards, including agent identification, training, accountability, use of force oversight and limits on enforcement practices in APRIL of 2026, the council adopted an ordinance affirming that civil immigration enforcement is not a city purpose. This ordinance restricting the use of city property in ways that U.S. Rep city operations or discourage discourage access to city services, subject to very specific exceptions. Taken together. These actions reflect the city's ongoing work in this area through council direction.

Departmental policy and city law. All right. So in addition to these formal actions, the city maintains a public-facing support for immigrant communities. Web page for the community members seeking information and support. The website is currently being updated to include a comprehensive summary of all the legislation. I just listed out and related actions making it easier for community members to locate and understand exactly what we've done so far. The Web address is displayed here on the slide. We encourage community members seeking information to use this resource next slide. Looking ahead, staff will bring a draft resolution to council in NOVEMBER 10 for your consideration. The proposed resolution is intended to establish a more comprehensive framework addressing the city's approach to cooperation with U.S.,

Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Including lawful, non-cooperation and limits and resource sharing consistent with a clickable law. Similar actions have been considered by other cities in the North This resolution will identify and summarize relevant past city legislation governing policies, direct staff to develop and implement employment training employee training and address Senate Bill 580, and also include provisions applicable to city contractors. The goal is to provide clearer more consistent direction for employees and establish expectations that can be implemented across operations. This afternoon's presentation is an overview of the city's actions to date and a preview of upcoming work. The draft resolution itself will be brought back for council consideration on NOVEMBER. 10th. Okay. So this includes

this concludes the overview. We're happy to answer any questions that we welcome any direction from staff continues to prepare for the NOVEMBER 10th item. Thank you both for back to council for questions. Thank you for the presentation. I just was curious, especially for the purpose of the public. >> If either either of you or even maybe or MADAM City attorney could explain the difference between ordinance and a resolution. >> And that's one part. And then the other part is. >> Why we've up 2 draft resolution rather than amending our existing ordinance. The last when we did in APRIL. So thank you for that. I'll ask the city attorney to fill in a gap. If I happened to MS. >> When we generally look at the difference between a resolution ordinance resolution ordinance is really

establishing law and protocol for individuals conducting business or activities within the city limits that are guided by that ordinance. Specifically resolutions can be set in 2 different ways. One, it's an informational item that like we to our colleagues in Congress, asking them for support in adjusting how immigration services trains and conducts business through be immigration team or it can also be the establishment and setting a policy for internal staff. And with that, it allows our internal personal rules and regulations to govern. How staff would be addressed should they not not align with the policy that's being established on that resolution. If we were to amend the ordinance that we had done previously, it would cause it to something some more severe and greater for the employees that MAY have

missed apt. It would override that personnel rules and regulations and we feel is most appropriate since we already have rules in place. And as to how we manage our own team that we utilize those to the greatest extent by having citywide policy established through the resolution that we're going to be bringing forward. The council. And I'll just ask MISS Crocker, if there's anything additional to add. >> Thank you. City manager. I would concur in this instance since its. This is a policy that will be. Used to train as staff and educate staff that the appropriate mechanism is in fact, a resolution and the prior ordinance was appropriate. In that instance, it regulating the activities of outside 3rd parties. And in that instance, the enforcement actions falls under our code section, believe one 30, which would allow for enforcement by

criminal action and enforcing basically bringing missing your actions against our employees for failure to, you know, respond appropriately or pursuant to our policy in the moment. So by taking it through a resolution, it's unenforceable. You know, there's this notion it has more teeth. If it's an ordinance that's not necessarily the case. And there are many things that are brought by by resolution as compared to ordinance. In fact, in the land use Worldview, you bring conditional use permits by ordinance and those definitely have teas and they run with the in perpetuity. So it often just has to do with the type of regulation that you're trying to establish an looking also at the enforcement of that regulations. So it's entirely appropriate in this case to by resolution. And in fact, looking to our sister

cities, put a limit to just adopt a similar policy to what we're talking about here. And it was I think probably done by resolution. >> And councilmember all just also mention that it's our intention to incorporate this as part of the presentation that bring on the 10. So will reiterate some of these points so that if there's a different audience that wants to understand why we're going that route, they'll be able to understand as well. Thank you. Other questions from council, MR. Donald. >> It's a question and a comment. And I want to be very clear. I've always been under the understanding that an ordinance did have more teeth because it was really almost like a lot of how we did business. And I know in the past I've actually said that I felt like it needed to be an ordinance. But after talking with city attorney and city

manager about this and seeing how the resolution is more appropriate because it directly involves human resources and our personnel. If I'm hearing you correctly and understanding we have other protocols in place, as I understand and a resolution allows those protocols to stand, please for the safety of our employees so that if there's a misstep, we have our own process of how we handle things like that. And if it was an ordinance, it would overstep those bounds. If that's what I'm hearing from you and what you reiterated to councilmember been winless. I just want to be clear. It could be my ears are just I'm processing out loud. But I think it's important for the public to also understand there's no less teeth in the resolution. We're doing everything we can protect our community members. But this also protects our employees so

that there's an opportunity for correcting behavior. If something wasn't done appropriately, using our current h r Policies, is that correct? Yes, I think that's correct. And if you look to the attorney general's guidance on this matter, which is, you know, but this is kind of the last piece that we're trying to fill in in terms of following their guidance. >> setting these types trainings and education procedures could actually be implemented just at a city manager level. But we've been asked here to take an elevated to let you know, for the council to go ahead and make this more of an official council policy and not being done by resolution is appropriate. But you are correct. Councilmember it. Isn't. There's a lot to do with with the enforcement mechanisms and enforce a mechanism under our current

ordinance would not be appropriate for this action. And I believe that's why this wasn't added in the last round. When you guys kind of came up to the point of should we amend, what should we do? And I think just more clearly it wasn't the proper place to amend that ordinance for these reasons because you are governing your city employees and you don't want to bring criminal actions and prosecute them for a misdemeanor. If they open the door and they didn't know the difference between a judicial warrant, an administrative warrant. To training up to as far as that goes on the attorney general, I know we've done cross walks to look at our policy and to look at what the attorney general has suggested. Is there any language suggesting that it should be an ordinance for says a resolution from the attorney general? No, and in fact, several cities in the

Bay Area are just going forward with having the training be implemented through the city manager with no Council action taken with the exception of the county and then also Petaluma. As far as I know, most other Bay area cities are just having the city manager policy. So there is no direction that it needs to be by an ordinance just simply that the city does need to engage in training for its employees. Great. I know that's been a topic that's come up several times. Is that looking at the attorney general's language and what you've done? And I think it's also important to know that a lot of the attorney general's language from my understanding had a lot to do with schools and school sites, which we have no jurisdiction over just looking at our own. Is that correct? Also, correct. And when we come back on the 10th, that would be my intention to

produce a slider of some sort to show those items that are required by the attorney general's guidance that are applicable to the city and the document relevant document of the city that accomplishes or satisfies requirements because I mean, this is something this is a mandate. The attorney general has said that cities must adopt policies by a certain date in 2027 just escaped me. But so I'd like to have some kind of graphic or will be able to explain to you a b and c are required by the attorney general. The city complies with all of that direction by a b and c. But you are completely correct. There are a number of things that aren't directly relevant to our city will call that out as well. Thank you so much. Thanks for the work on this. And having like this is a professor at a print, face of what's coming on the 10th of NOVEMBER for us and for the

community. >> That's what my question's for now. Thank you. All right. We're going to open up to public comment to those with in council chambers here. >> If you are interested making comment, we encourage you to go drop your name with the back table on and in any case be waiting by the podium when when your time comes. I'm gonna call names off the list in front of me where to start please use both podiums as an ally. Lets see Renee Allen and then Robert Renee Allen Wools and then Robert. Welcome. Rene, want to kick us off? >> Renee, some I see my time to the singer's. >> I did hear we have some music planned. We get there. We want to warn you that right now. >> We have a couple of speakers before the music starts. >> Go ahead. Derby Derby. >> I was being in this

>> All right. We'll get our interpreter online. We have our interpreter? Lauren, are you bringing the interpreter? >> Yes, one moment, please. >> We're waiting for interpreter. So this is will be a little unusual, but we are we are suckers for musical interludes here in the city of Santa Rosa. All right, Renee, how many speakers on speakers as a prelude to the to the song? >> We have 2 speakers as a prelude to the songs and then after the songs, I believe we have others who would like to speak. But I'm not sure how many those are. >> All right. Well, did she speakers and what? We will have a song and will return the usual public comment? Are we ready with our interpreter? >> Yes, I brought you over from the interpretation Channel. Can you please make the announcement and how you

would like to facilitate public comment? You should be able to unmute yourself one moment. Mayor. >> is our second speaker also require translation. >> What are we now? >> I only do we have a translator online. >> Cloudy please stay on the. I mean, channel. And can you please direct the speaker, how you would like to facilitate public comment in Spanish? I marry. I apologize. It looks like zoom has changed some settings and I cannot get the Spanish interpreter. >> Over into the main channel. One moment, please. Let's work on that. What we're waiting for tutors or technical issues. Why don't we go to our other speaker? >> No, we'd rather wait for the interpreter. Thank you, MR. Mayor. We have an order of speakers. >> We'll wait at so we're We're going to go with the

other speaker first and then we'll come back. We want to we want to as efficient as possible. Renee. >> It's important that this speaker start. >> So it's it's also important for us to keep this mean moving. So we will. We'll go to the other speaker for snow come back as soon as we have a translation resolved. >> No one will speak until have non. This speaks. >> Then within Renee, then we're going close public comment. So we need we need to keep them moving, Meet, meeting going Renee. >> Right I Adams >> American get Claudia into the main channel. Now. All right. Perfect. Thank you so much. This is here. Spanish interpreter. If I could just give her a couple of instructions place. >> When a status at the is statement is but authorities. But what about this? But I

want say to me that I can do. And his wife that to put Houston last month been a lot of which will start looking at that. But then double couple caught. Most typical killer would know that, although in people continue that on board a little kiss to petition. Okay, we just yes. Love the. >> When us this me nobody is Gavin 11 on But it that of animosity. What is like when the SEALs? I'm glad you. >> Good afternoon. I'm Gabriela Hernandez. I am one of the leader and also I am Lee Terry leaders of the sanctuary coalition. >> Oh, yes, billion. The is in that. This again story. >> sad that they get less you that federal sent noticed they >> Cuomo, the the money that you think. >> am here to specifically say that I am tired that the city of Santa Rosa, Stacie, they are protecting us, but they are not protecting Some

migrant community. >> Then they see gets so lament that bus. I do remember. So we'll see one Donald. So that going to get on businesses. Maxima public soon. >> They're only saying that they're going to pass a resolution, but us immigrants, we need maximum protection. >> stood up at the ceiling of Bailey is still a few that federal sat up it will now to them. Sat or the fi get louder than them said Yanks East and >> Our petition today is for the city of Santa Rosa to approve an ordinance or to modify the existing ordinance. >> Game do yet. And we'll see you this on people's home and no middle don't know. Needle simply add those needles. Fan of federal start level that I knew going. The 90 in Florida must be on on is the me get a by funding will not see. Was tense yet. >> Including the following

points. Reputation is for a employees and Santa Rosa or agents not to cooperate, giving any information reference to their employees. >> get less you that federal sent a lot more to put out the will scan this could even implement best They loved believe the Gavin Noble level nasty on. >> Number 2, that the city of Elaborate Rico to calls describing the policy implementation of no collaboration. >> middle. That is. Up a seat. The Nestle blame and then let go of been no goal of one St own. >> The number tree. Number 3. To train employees to implement, but no collaboration policy. >> going to middle people get-go, looking list, get inflation, low levels. But at the >> And number to post a posters reflecting the new

protocols. >> middle scene. Go get those little schooling. But these yet in this it's been feels bullied because then no goal of one St own. >> Number 5, that the agents and all contractors to be septic to the new policies. No collaboration. >> that money that minutes? It must get by mint. Is the onus going good at this? >> Our community, the service, more than words. They concrete actions. >> Say you didn't will sort of any sound on those. >> We will continue organizing. >> month and the levels the eggs, the he and gun was that you that Santa feels the public see on. >> continue looking our voice demanding that our city is is space for protection. >> Let's say Woody that than those that go money that know they have it going say at the

time is the enemy of >> safety our community. That's not need to build through fear. >> It's sort of that Blatter. Sandow go level that if you don't go in nice. >> It is time to act is hero ice collaboration. >> Thank. Thank you folks. >> Alright Laden, ladies and gentleman. Some of you here were here a couple of weeks ago when we talked about the need to maintain order in council chambers. So we do ask that if you wanted to do want to show support to the jazz fingers, do silent, do silent fingers because we can't we don't want the disruption in between speakers, especially given that we are all looking forward to our musical interlude. Let's go to the next next speaker. >> I feel my name's Alan Wilson with Sonoma County for Palestine and a bunch of other local orders. I'm a lifelong

Santa Rosa resident. I appreciate what you're trying to do here for immigrant community with passing on the kind of somewhat of a resolution. But it does not go far enough specifically. I would like you to pass an ordinance or amend the existing ordinance that has the following provisions. Sanders employees and agents shall not in any way collaborator share information with Ice. Santa Rosa will develop protocols which described the implementation of the non collaboration policy senator, is it will train its employees around the implementation of the non collaboration policy. Sandra's will put up signage that reflects the new protocols and all contractors and agents show fall under non-cooperation policy. I found it really interesting sitting here and listening to the explanation about why it

should be a resolution rather than ordinance specifically the idea that a resolution no less toothless followed immediately by exactly how less to fill us. It if the punishments for violating that are are less, the example is given that you don't want someone who accidentally opens the door for someone who doesn't have a judicial warrant and to be punished with a misdemeanor for that. On the flip side of that, what if someone maliciously does that? I think you would want them to do And therefore, I think that ordinance would be more appropriate there. And then if it truly was an accident, then you know, you would find that out during that process. But that's thank you. Thank you. Alright, next, Speaker. >> Low. My name is. Lindsay Bill Kerr and the pastor of Christ Church United Methodist just a congregation that is

proud to stand with migrants and be part of the Sonoma County Sanctuary Coalition. Talk today in favor of us. Us being in favor of you passing an ordinance rather than a resolution. In discussion that I heard I a lot of fear and fear seems to be. Quite available right now. I hear a lot of fear in our community. I think people are reasonably afraid. Migrants in our community are afraid of immigration. Customs Enforcement and what I heard in the discussion was fear of potential litigation, right? That's somehow passing a resolution keeps everyone safe because it makes no one responsible. I want to tell you that we all are responsible for each other right now. And first and foremost, I trust migrants in this community when they say they want an ordinance and not a resolution I trust them. I believe them. Well, I'm not

someone who is presently afraid of immigration, Customs Enforcement. I am going to take the lead from people who have reason to be afraid and I'm going to trust that they know what's best for themselves. And I'd be here in support of them. Second of all, I want to say that I trust our city employees. I trusted of our city. Employees are trained properly. They are capable of understanding the difference of when they are collaborating with ice or not. And I trust that they're able to do their job. I trust our city employees because I trust them every day with basic services. What I hear in this conversation is about kind of meeting the bar but not going past it. I gotta tell you right now we're in a time where everyone needs to be going past the bar. Reasonable expectation to greater responsibility for each other. That is the ethical. That is

the moral thing to do. That is the right thing to do. And that's how we're going to show up in our community for each other right now. Fear our own fear won't keep us safe in this moment. The only thing that will keep us safe is one another. And a heightened responsibility for each other. So I'm here today in favor of the sanctuary ordinance. And I know there are many other people who are who are sitting there time to the musicians who will play next. Thank you >> all right. All right, folks. So we will will open up to the musical portion about 4 minutes. And again, this is this unusual, but we do have a soft spot in our hearts for music. Yeah, 4 minutes and then will return to spoke in public comment. All right. >> a town of the >> And >> I did buy do >> Michelle, We shall not be in the

>> Has planted by law. All. >> We shall not be enough. We shall not be moved outside. The planted by law. We shall not be >> We are not knows we shown up just good >> Has edited by do >> And that Beaumont >> know >> little >> shall not be be. >> And has by. >> a lot. >> It has law. >> Impressive, impressive, right? Right on time. All right, folks. >> Thank Renee >> Missus. See it out. So. And folks. All right, folks, we're going to go into recess right now. 5, 5 minute recess. All right, folks, we're gonna we're gonna clear chambers here. If the noon, if the music doesn't stop or at the

clear Chambers. All right, folks, let's take that. Let's take this sitting outside when a clear chambers. >> All right. Welcome back, everyone. Let's try this again. We will reconvene in open session. MADAM City clerk, would you please call the roll? >> Thank you, Mayor Councilmember Rogers, Councilmember MacDonald here, Councilmember Fleming Councilmember Ben Willows here, Councilmember Alvarez as vice mayor kept key here they are stop here. Let the record reflect all councilmembers are present. >> All right. Let us return to our regularly scheduled public comment. Again, just a reminder. Everyone has has 2 minutes. No plausible goal podium, the podium. Let's keep things officiant. I'm going to start out with the names that I have on my list. Robert Elena Nicholas. Robert, you've

got that. You've got the Florida to Elena and Nicholas. >> I see him. I have your attention. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for the chance to be here, actually I was singing, usually with the band out there, Robert, again, leaning closer to my cousin, pick up the sound very well. Used to make that's a little little stronger. Do they go? Cutting into my time? Can you hear me now work? And that's better. Okay. You go. Thank you very much. I'm usually with the band that came in before the band's name is good trouble. >> probably recognize the phrase it's phrase John Lewis used to describe if you see some injustice in the world, it's your responsibility to make good trouble. And that's what we're here today to do. Because there's bad trouble in the world, which obviously we're all very familiar with. Good trouble to me is that

people who elected to lead lead. They don't follow. People who are elected to lead. Don't hide behind regulations. They passed ordinances. If you pass an ordinance, it's something as you probably all know, a lawyer like myself and my other life could use to actually bring someone else to justice. If you pass a regulation, it's a recommendation. Now I'm asking the city council to do your job, which is to protect the people. You mentioned 6 different steps you took 17, 2017 to now to protect the rights of the immigrants. We asked you Cooney sick. How many people you counting on to protect your rights? Because you're white. I'm impressed by the fact that Santa Rosa or Sonoma County took 6 steps between 2017 and now to protect the rights of the immigrants. They shouldn't have to take any. And that's

what we're after. If you stop following lead. Democracy is a garden. We are all gardeners and it's our job to do what we were elected to do, protect the Constitution. No one should be able to be arrested. Picked up question without a signed judicial order. Thank you, Robert Elena, Nicholas and Isabel. >> Alana, and if you can, please be waiting by at the podium. One of the 2 podiums. When I hear. >> about that. >> then Nicholas waiting by the other podium. >> My name is Elon. 25 year resident of Sonoma County. I stand here tonight with our immigrant community. Our neighbors. Who harvest our wine feed our families and care for our loved ones and hospitals and nursing homes. We speak of appreciation yet we allow exploitation. To profit from their hard labor while leaving them exposed 2

terror being perpetrated by ice pa crusie that we can no longer accept. As ice tactics grow increasingly aggressive. The laws that we have are clearly not enough. And existing policies are failing. Broken laws. Broken lives, broken families. Children wake at terrified that today's the day their parents will be ripped away. No child should carry that trauma. No city should enable Santa Rosa can not stand by while our neighbors are targeted. We need a strict not non-cooperation with binding ordinance. Protect our families. Stand up for the people who built this community. Refuse to be complicit in this deadly injustice. Listen to my people. Listen to your people. They are being hunted. These honor, their demands for ordinance. Thank you. Thank you. Alanna Nicholas and then is about and it is about to be

waiting another podium. Nicholas, go ahead. >> Yeah, good afternoon. My name is Nicole. Of this PRESIDENT Santa Rosa. Also a member of the sanctuary coalition. I was on this podium a couple weeks ago I personally invited all of you city council members and staff to join us in our 3 day. Comey not to as we walked from Petaluma to Cloverdale. And I was disappointed that I didn't see. And if you all I send also e-mail with a formal. Invitation addressed to all of you sitting there at the diocese and was not even given the courtesy of a response. Had you? It ended any one of the 3 days you would have seen just how passionate this community is and that in the face of all of their fears and insecurities, we are still gathering together in public spaces and mass numbers and their demands and and child then gleefully with joy. And

because I want to reiterate what I've been saying to is that in the face of so much fear, one of the things that this machine, most afraid of is our joy and what you saw here just a few moments ago was a display of the sort of joy and passion that this community will continue to bring until their demands are heard. And I think what they're asking for is not unreasonable. And and it is clear and now up to you all to make that assistance support the residents of this community that you claim to support. Thank you. Thank you, Nick. Ross, Isabel and then Jenny and Marianne, he's about. >> 7 Lopez with the sanctuary coalition. And I Echo Nicole less a statement. There's already sanctuary cities like Berkeley, San Francisco, Oakland, at Cetera. All it takes really is courage from all of you to implement

ordinance versus solution. Like got to be a less said, our undocumented community deserves the greatest protection. And I think we're worrying too much about staff. Safety and not really addressing the issue of undocumented people getting abducted by our federal government. And so I'm asking here for all of you to be courageous. >> To to amend the ordinance >> approved in APRIL or come up with a new one that mirrors the county. I'm really confused on why You'all refuse to mayor the ordinance that the county implemented. That's what I'm here to do to ask you to do that. Thank you. >> Thank you. Isabel Jenny Marianne. And then Ronnie. >> My name is Johnny Gill been and I live in district here in support of the sanctuary coalition. And I want to make sure everybody knows that just last week in Santa Maria,

California, a student, a nonverbal student with disabilities, was tackled and detained by federal immigration agents while he was walking to school. His injuries were so severe. He required surgery and we must not allow this to happen here. In recent weeks. Council members managers have met with community members to discuss a resolution or an ordinance prohibiting federal agents to use city property employees in collaboration with their unlawful activities. I'm grateful that you took this time to listen to the community. But a city council read resolution is not enough. Bob said earlier, it's just an opinion ordinance carries the force of law and can impose penalties when ice comes to Santa Rosa, there will be consequences. And the question is, who will pay those consequences will be violent. Federal agents or innocent

community members. I'd also like to add that in the last year that I've been bringing attention to the dangers of surveillance in our community. I've got to say that our elected officials have not incurred any kind of trust. We've been gaslit and I'm really afraid that that same thing is going to happen here. I want you step up like Bob said and be a leader and let the community know now that when ice comes that you will protect them and pass a sanctuary ordinance. Thank you. >> Thank you. Jenny Merianos hold the applause Breeze, Marianne Ronnie and then Camille. >> members of the city Council. My name is Mary and Michaels, a member of the Sonoma County Sanctuary Coalition for Immigrant Defense. Last APRIL when the city Council passed the ordinance for non cooperation

with ice. Many of you clearly stated that you intended to add stronger provisions later. I am here today to respond to 3 comments the council members made during the town hall meetings in response to our coalition's request for a stronger ordinance. Comment. Number one, stronger ordinance language will not be beneficial because it increases our visibility as a target for federal legislation. My response is that we clearly are already visible to the federal government and the Office of Homeland Security does not support our efforts to protect our most vulnerable residents in Santa Rosa. This is exactly the reason the coalition is asking for stronger language in the city's non-cooperation ordinance. Comment. Number 2, we do not need a stronger ordinance because we are. And covered by California laws at the state level. It is my

understanding that the state law sb 580, requires our city manager to implement model policies by JANUARY of 2027 that limit the city's assistance with civil immigration enforcement and restrict database sharing. Such policies are in keeping with the amendments to the non collaboration ordinance that our coalition is requesting. The last comment we do not want to put a target on the backs of our most vulnerable residents. We need to wrap our arms around all those in our community and keep them safe. I ask you to consider that this is exactly. >> Thank you, Mary Ann Ronning, Camille and Again. Please, please hold the applause. High on e. >> Thank you so much for having us again. I'm here to also echo a lot of the messages here today. How an ordinance it's much more stronger than a resolution. A

lot of the immigrant community. It's a soft, exhausted and tired and scared of running errands taking their kids to school. And I also want to remind you all that immigrant justice is a mental health issue. Immigrant justice is also a black issue. The federal ministration has removed the temporary. Protection. Satish status for the Haitian community and I paid the minds about who was a young lad spirit that left this too early. He was a young, beautiful star, actually. He had so much aspirations for his education and high goals, but he took his life when the federal ministration took away. Tps. And that's another family separation issue. And I don't want to hear and read more about her young immigrant youth feeling, but they have no way of building a life here in the United States that was built by immigrants even when

they are doing it the right way. And so what message is that show to us that those who are able to do the right ways and have the resources and access to do that are still denied a pathway to citizens. Citizenship are still denied that protection that our community is just here to build a better life. Thank you. Thank you. Running Camille Union and the Gabriela. >> Thank you. I'm from District 6. >> For whom that matters too. I would. >> think whoever is lowering the podium, thank you very much. I have some access needs myself. >> And I would just like to encourage you to listen directly to your community members who are most impacted. We need a strong ordinance that is going to do something for our people. And also I know that the administration

is doing a lot. I know that, you know, details that I don't know from them, but also I believe that among many of the tactics of the administrating administration is doing is trying to see how many people and how many entities are going to go along with their aims. >> And not put up much of a fight. And I believe that we as much as our immigrant. >> Neighbors need to be stealing ourselves against that. >> And part of that is being in solidarity with our neighbors themselves in our community members who live here and make this the place that it is as well as being in solidarity with other sanctuary cities in the state. I believe Yeah, it is intimidating. It can have implications. But these are things that we need to prepare for and we need to view ourselves as being able to

work to protect our people. So I strongly encourage you and act accordingly. Thank you. >> Thank you, Camille. Do Gabriela and then Kathleen. Do you hear? Then let's go to Gabriel Law. And Kathleen is Gabriela here. Kathleen. Kathleen, you have the floor. Thank you. >> It was Kathleen Johnson. i'm the moderator of the First Congregational United Church of Christ. And as such a member of the Sanctuary Coalition. An elder in this community. I've lived in Sonoma County since 1967. I'm sure that's before a lot of you were born. >> I'm a lifelong good girl. I don't make trouble. I follow the rules. And I hear echoes. I coach of PRESIDENT Lyndon Johnson saying to Martin Luther King, calm down Martin, things take time. Don't make a I'm hearing echoes of Europe in 1930, when people thought if they China fly under the

radar and don't draw attention to themselves. Everything was going to be fined. The civil rights movement, the indigenous people. Sometimes you gotta make some of that good trouble. And I think the time is now and I don't think this ordinance, the strengthening of the ordinance is such strong action that we need to be afraid of it. I think we need to stand up for each other and our neighbors and friends. Thank you, Kathleen. We have Merlin our Susan here. Maryland. You have the floor. >> An ordinance is not only mandatory, but it is not enough. We are already in armed struggle. Ice is kidnapping. It's murdering immigrants and others. It's acting as a fascist institution which all of us and especially you. Must resist. Until you bring those flock cameras down because you must do that. You should be

using them to track federal license plates. Only. Until we'd even tell you to fund the police, which you must do. They should be in the streets with their guns. >> Blockading ice and keeping them from our communities. Unlike us, you have the legal mandate to use violence. For once turned it away from unhoused people. As you've been doing and turned it or the people who have violently attacking us in our communities, attacking our neighbors, whether they're documented or not. Do better. This 1930's, Germany. It's worse. Who's standing up to this empire? No one abroad. How about you? Implementing ordinance and then do? >> More. >> You are complicit. If you don't. You are complicit. Your violent fascist if you don't implement an ordinance and do more. Think about it for a moment. I'll take my other 7

seconds. While you think about. Thank you, Marilyn Susan. Lemont district 2, thank you, Marilyn. Martin Luther King. I believe it was who said >> that a riot is the language of the unheard. You're lucky. We didn't. We haven't seen a riot here yet. This was an escalation. It was a deserved escalation. You have been asked to do something very, very simple. Switch to an ordinance. The work is being done. Been done for you. It's been written for you. It's excellent. You should be thanking the community that voted for you. And you should be enacting it. They deserve it. Everything that Marilyn said is true about the danger out there. And the violence. An ordinance won't be enough, but it will be a start. So I simply want to say. Say thank you. And and pass their ordinance. Thank you, Susan. >> All right, Janice, and even

waiting. And if you if there are other people in council chambers who wish to speak, please make your way to the podium. Now. Janice, you have the floor lying. Thank you, Dana. >> I support ice out Santa Rosa in the sanctuary and all of this. And I think There comfort in knowing that we have see people. I feel that you do care but is a team effort and it takes all the coalition's. You can make an inch to keep all of this going. And many of these people, our from nonprofits asking for money trying to continue the work but main point is you say things with heart. You say things of empathy. Cherryland spoke up at an earlier time this year about this issue. And I appreciated. And Eddie seemed to follow the same day and that seems to be an opening. And it was, you know, truly wonderful to see. And I I want

to say, I support the ice, but I also resonate very resonates with me. This idea about the ordinance and a resolution to France. And I think you all should hammerheads and get back and like study and find out what's the strongest way you can fight what is going on and try to do it. And the attorneys here be in on it so that you can make those kinds resolutions because people from other states admired California and California wants to grow. And I went to the meeting on economic development and I talked expanding opportunity. But I also want to say, I don't want to correct key for mayor because the foppoli trial. I was there every day for 5 and a half weeks. I heard this. >> Thank you, Janice. Other speakers next podium. If you didn't mean in a little closer. >> Hi, my name is Daniel. Okay. Well, I esl which we now

call English for multilingual speakers at Santa Rosa Junior College. So I work in Santa Rosa. I wanted to give you a little anecdote. I was just at an international teaching conference in Australia and I had the chance to talk with other teachers of English as a second language. There. And they asked Is ice as bad as we see on tv. And I said yes. And this is what the world sees. They see what happened in Minneapolis or Minnesota. They see what has happened in Los Angeles and other big cities. They also see what Mayor Mamdani is doing in New York. I told them yes, I says as bad as we see, however, what you might not see in Australia because it's so far away. >> Is all of the people who are trying to counter it, who are trying to resist. >> As a member of the century coalition, I'm a very small part of that. But I believe >> that we all

>> need to do as much as we can to fight. Ice to fight the horrible things that this administration has done and is continuing to do so in your power, you have. You know, the power to speak for our community. And Santa Rosa is the city. However, almost everyone in Sonoma County lives or works or does business here in Santa Rosa see really represent all of Sonoma County. So again, I just encourage you to listen to those people who are most vulnerable in our community, including all of my students. And the many, many, many students all across Santa Rosa and the county and please do everything you can in your power. To resist send a message to Washington. >> Thank you. Is there anybody else in council chambers who wishes to speak? Seeing none? We'll go online. MADAM Zuma, host is any online. Have their hands raised or anybody? Dial

star 9. >> Yes, mayor of a very patient gentlemen, waiting for. Person waiting, Reverend money. We're going to start with you. We're going to be followed by Meghan. There's anybody else. Raise your hand or star 9. If you dial them. Reverend, I've been able to or permissions go right ahead. >> Hi, can you hear me? Stick and apologies. I've got a sick 3 year-old on my lap here. So I'm going to try to be as concise and audible as possible. I'm the Reverend Run Mammy and I serve as one of the co ministers of the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Santa Rosa. And we are a proud, an active member of the sanctuary Coalition. And I want to tell you about Alexandria, Louisiana right now, Alexandria, Louisiana. They have just opened a family detention center where they are going to be continuing

their campaign of separating immigrant families of separating children and parents. The administration ice, the fascism that is at the heart of this country is not slowing its pace down. They are not slowing down their hands. >> And so you can not afford to slow down our assistance. What we need to do think you've talking about resistance, but we need to do here in Santa Rosa. We need to do in this community. It's show off and use our power. We have the power to resist this power resist this a family separation, terrorism against our immigrant community members. People in the chambers today, people online. We're using our power to speak to you. >> harsh words with loving words clear >> It's time for you to use your power. It is time for to show the courage that

everybody in this room has been showing. >> To use your courage for to face an administration and to face the reality that is tearing families apart, tearing communities apart. We here are asking you to show your face. >> Over your fear community over cruelty. An ordinance over opinions and protecting the community members here in the room today. >> Thank you both. We're going to be moving on to Megan followed And if there's anybody else on zoom, please raise your hands. Start 9. If you dial, then. Megan, I've been able permissions, go right ahead. >> Hi, my name is Megan Coffee. And I am of Mexican and Ashkenazi Jewish heritage. I do have indigenous Mexican blood. But if you saw me on the street. I look completely white and for that reason I have no personal fear that I'm

going to be targeted. Attack, possibly being thrown to the ground, possibly being shot through my car window. All the horrible things are happening to people just because they quote, unquote fit the description. A so-called criminal that ice is looking for anyone with brown skin fits that description, which means anyone. >> Who? >> anyone could be targeted regardless of their citizenship status, regardless of their criminal record. This business terrifying. And yet I don't personally have to worry about it. But I have loved ones who do. Simply because they quote, unquote, look, you know, more Mexican than I do. And I guess what I'm just asking you to think about is imagine. If I don't, maybe you have some loved ones or if you don't imagine if you didn't mention if you had a child or partner or cousin or a friend

or a co-worker who living Fear of being attacked and potentially even killed just because of their parents. And then given that. That feeling police act from that feeling. What is absolute most you can do make sure we're all protected. And we all feel just as safe as I do walking down the street. Thank you. Thank you, Megan. >> Moving on and if anybody else after would like to speak, please raise your hand or dial star 9. And I've been able permissions, go right ahead. >> Hello, my name is Alina New will. I am a resident of Santa Rosa. I live in district 2. Thank you for taking our comments this evening to everyone stayed up there. The council. I don't have a great deal to say, oh, let's say Look likely as those whose come before me. But I strongly support everything that has been set by the members of the

sanctuary coalition and have an opportunity to sign ordinance that will demonstrate your respect. And care for the people of this community or the option to stay the resolution that shows that you do not. And I urge you strongly choose the right thing. Thank you for your time. Thank you very much. >> Maher. >> That's a wrap on the zoom side. >> Thank you very much, Lauren. Okay. We'll close public comment and bring it back to the days for any final discussion. Fox from Council. Ban start us off. And I have all my thoughts gathered, but i >> I know when we originally pass the ordinance in APRIL. At least I was told her. I remember that we did talk about adding amendments. That it would that it would be done later. And I do remember that very clearly. And and I do

feel like we do need a stronger ordinance. I I think it can be done if the county did it, we should be able to do it. It can be done where we still are able to protect our employees with proper training. So well, I understand the reasoning of going with the resolution and I too have to say. Petaluma passed a resolution and that seemed satisfactory to everyone. Some not quite clear on why it wouldn't be here. But aside from that, I do think that at all possible. We should be able to either amending the existing ordinance that we have or come up with a new ordinance. And I know that's more work. And I apologize for that. But I think what's standing out for me is also a daughter of immigrants. And having to think about this issue all the time. And I do. >> I want the most protection that we can provide for our

entire community because really no one is safe. Really? No one in this environment. And that would be my preference. I understand it's sometimes it's. Easier to take the easier path. And I I I I know nothing is easy here, but I really feel we should stick to the original plan, which in my mind was to either amend the ordinance or come up additional ordinance. So that would be my preference and leave it at that. Thank you, MR. Reds. >> I would agree with what was just said by my colleague, one of the one step further in saying that. I don't care with this resolution or ordinance. I don't care what one through 5 is at the the day is is for standing with you. Or part for Words do not matter if you know your stories of Florida, Minneapolis, that they must look like me or gets on the face. The rally in Minneapolis, lady Luck. I do

look likely. And they got shot in the face. What matters is that we stand with you. I hear orders here. Resolutions, but the action is going to be speaking. This is not about what we pass. It's how we stand beside you. Not until I became elected 10. All these laws and we haven't talked touch the idea or the conversation of how labor. Influential in how we conduct ourselves towards our staff and our employees. As I know, that's a whole nother can of worms and a rabbit hole. But the end of the day is do we stand with you or against you? And no words? He's going to be able to make you feel better about it. No law that we pass. He's gonna make you feel safer. Let's stop talking about the law. About resolutions and ordinances. Let U.S. Start start speaking about. We do not abandon our people. We stand with each and one of those that are

underserved underrepresented at the of the day. That's why I'm here. But talk about how this is gonna make my committee feel safer. No, it's not. I see it every day. My customers, my labors. They don't feel safe or no matter what we do here. That's why they're not here right now because they don't feel safe. So forget about the solution that run all day today that this is going to make them feel safe holdings. And gentlemen, it's not. So yes, it's a step in the right way, but it's not the end goal. The reality is that each other was know what right is wrong and what was wrong is right. The reality is the city of Santa Rosa is not Florida. It's not Louisiana. Officers are not doing what they do over of the day that they with the first one in line say this needs corrected. That's the difference between a resolution in action. So as

revolutions or actions ordinances after day, it doesn't matter what matters is what happens. We go from here. Our response to those things. Thank you. MISS >> Yeah, thank You know, I heard a lot of compelling public comment today and want to echo everything that Councilmember Ben way Low said. But I think the most important thing that I that really came across in the public comment to me today was that it seems appears to me that the community doesn't feel like we are standing with you is shoulder to shoulder in this fight against ice. >> And like Councilmember Ben Wills, I'm the daughter of immigrants and the daughter of immigrants who fled fascism in Europe in World War. 2. And this issue is really personal. The man and one people compare this to to that time. That wrote really resonates with me. And one of the things that

happened during that period of time as people really stood on we can't do this for this reason for that reason or whatever the heck reason. And and so to my mind, like. If it is a resolution that doesn't get the job done all the way than we do. An ordinance. You know, we don't we can. We can do that. Staff training. We can do the meet and confer. Councilmember Alvarez referred to that. The unions we do have to stop and talk with the unions. It is an extra step. It is more work for a team and as more work for our staff to do the training. But it's fully possible. And I believe that if that's what makes the community feel safer and that's what them with what we ought to do. But that know that you're hearing from a few of us up here that we really do hear you that this is an issue we take really seriously that a number of us have been championing since the

beginning of this year. >> And that you have my commitment not to stand on. >> Harris flooding or ceremony or order or whatever the heck they call it. This is about human rights and that we don't look out for each other in these difficult times. And there'll be nobody to look out for us when that when they come for us because they're just going to keep going around, you know, what will be one kind of people one day and the next kind of people the next day. That's how the fascist do and the fascist. What do they care about? They care about order and calm and quiet and all the, you know, niceties, I don't give a rat's rear and about niceties. I care about getting it done for the people. And that's what we I will do for you with my vote. Thank you, MR. Donald. >> Thank you. And I also want to thank the the comments from all my colleagues here

tonight. You know, and advocates work is never done no matter what we do. The real story about advocacy as you continue to advocate because even if we do everything you ask, there will be more that you need from the community. Can something else will come up. A new policy will come up. A new leader will come up. And so advocates work is never done. I want to say thank you to the advocates in the audience today because that's how I see all of you. A couple of things that I'm hearing as well as there seems to be a lot of concern that the resolution is not going to be able. To stick as well as the ordinance. And so I know there's some things that we have to do with labor potentially, but from my perspective, those things can take a long time to go back and have those sort of negotiations with 2 meetings in for whatever we would need

to do for those steps. A resolution, however, could be brought to council quicker and and get something implemented right now. And so I'm wondering a couple different things. And I'd like to have some feedback city attorney and city manager on this is. We have a current ordinance. What could we amend the ordinance that helps to protect our community and make them feel safe and what would we put in a resolution that also covers what are internal policy is in the way that I seen this done in the past is I was on a school board and we had school board policy, which was sort of like ordinance. It was the law of how we would do business and then we had administrative regulation and ar and that was what we did with the employees to help implement law. But it didn't coralie end to the board policy cause. That was an overview of what we're going

to do. It really directed staff on how we would do best business. And I'm wondering if there's a way to marry those 2 things where the ordinance is what we are requiring and the resolution is the internal part which you spoke of earlier, city manager of what we want our employees to do and how we can work with him and or are in current negotiations. And if that would actually help married the 2 together, and that might be a good resolve to making sure it's If that still doesn't do it, then the second process would be to go to the elongated process. Amending the ordinance after labor negotiations could be potentially done. But I think that that would be some way that we could potentially get things done right away if we're able to marry the ordinance with the resolution and then see where we're at so that the community feels

heard. Our employees also feel protected. And and and that we're following our city policies and we're following our labor agreements. And I'm not really sure where that lands on a resolution versus the ordinance. So but, you know, I've said this story before. We all have somebody in our families. We all have people that we've been touched by that were immigrants, whether it's their parents, whether it's family members. And I think told the story before that if it wasn't for 2 very brave immigrants coming from Mexico and greening their small children, I would not have the granddaughter that I have today. It was because of those incredible people that came here and worked and brought their children here and became United States citizens. But it took years and years and years to do that. And so that is not lost on any of us. It is not lost

on what they bring to the table is not lost on who they are in our communities and it's not lost on what they bring into our own families. And please know that we are standing with our community with all of you. I do appreciate you coming here tonight. And I'm hopeful that there's a way mend our policies to work with everybody in the community. Thank you. Thank you. Ms Rogers. Thank you, Mayor. I think. >> My thoughts are definitely all over the place right now. So just to share a few things. Tell you about a call that I received and the call was like isis here. They just pick someone up. >> I My stomach was are inching like I liked, took the air out of my loans because I was like, ok, they're here. What do we do? >> I think I am. Align with Eddie. Our excuse me Council

member. >> Alvarez when he says that. It doesn't matter what we have on paper at the end of the day, like it's about who's going to stand up and who's going to say we're not going to allow this to happen in our community. I do know that with some. It gives some people a sense of security, but for a lot of people, they don't know what we do in these chambers anyway. So even if we do ordinance or resolution, >> they're still going to be frightened because the federal government is gonna come. >> Or >> see that the federal government is going to come and rain tear in our streets with our neighbors and our family members. When we talk about immigrants, I would like to make it very clear to everyone that we are not just talking about our Hispanic brothers and sisters and neighbors. We are talking

about all immigrants. We are talking about people that are at as dark as me that they are. You know, that their immigrants and so we're talking about all people. So I do want to make that very clear for every one cause. I feel like people have this vast narrative that it is just Hispanics and not just Hispanics I'm open. Open. I don't know where would have punched Heath anyway. I don't think is someone came that they're going to listen to us. If I was like Yo stop right now, we have an ordinance or we have this that they're gonna. >> Stop not do whatever it is that they they came to do. So I don't know because I haven't had the experience here. But I do know that I will stand. And I do know when I got that phone call, I was like, ok, I've never been jail, but I'm going to jail today because where are we going and how are

we going to stand up for our neighbors? How are we going to stand up for our family members? >> What are we going to do? >> So first, they came for the Socialists and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. >> Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a j# # . Then they came for me in. There was no one there to speak out. >> I don't believe that anyone up here has that mindset. I just feel like we're trying to figure out what we can do. To support our neighbors into support our brothers and sisters in to support our. >> Our family members. >> So >> we're not the enemy. We are not the enemy. How we get to

the goal that we're trying to get to MAY look different. But I feel like when I sit up here that it's as if on the enemy and I'll be the first one and the front lines. I'm not the enemy. It is not the enemy. Carolyn, we're not we're not the enemy. Let's work together to try to make this happen. But if it us against you, that's not a standing together telling people that they cannot come into our community and rain terror here. So how do we do that? What does that look like? Making this the enemy? It doesn't work for me because I Natalie Rogers, I am not. The enemy. Thank you. Vice Mayor. Thank >> First, I just want to thank the community for their passion on this. I know there was a pause in the proceedings. I think I was more towards getting to this discussion of where we want to go and being able to hear everybody's point of view. I

don't think that the opinions expressed on the day is as varied as they MAY be mutually exclusive. What I've heard from the community is a sense of urgency. >> And that there is a desire. >> To feel to see some sort of action to validate the concerns and then and this and the fears of the community. >> And so I think we when I look at some of the things that have been put forward are discussed, I think that we can do all of those in concert urgency. We can do a resolution much, much quicker than we can do an ordinance because there are labor issues that have to be worked out. I am interested in seeing what we can do from an organ standpoint down the line. But I think right now what we can do. With a resolution will help our community feel like excuse my language that we give a and and I really think that's important for us that,

you know, we are reflections are we are supposed to reflections of our community of art, whoever it was, who I'm from district 6 to her. That matters to. That's me. I'm district 6. So I'm supposed to be your representative in speak for you and the people district, 6 phone, all citywide matters. So I think we can do that to Eddie's point there to out. I did it to to Councilmember Alvarez's point of what we put down on paper doesn't matter unless we're willing to step up and actually take action. I agree that as well. I don't think that is contrary to what Councilmember Manuela us. And then Councilmember Fleming are saying as well as what we put 4 already the result with a resolution. So that's where I stand on the issue as we can do a resolution to do as much as possible in the short term because an ordinance will take longer. But to say we won't do

one in spite of the other, i don't think is an efficient effective or what is the right thing to do to represent our community and and and the people that have come here to voice for those who are too scared to council Broward's point to come here on their own because not just a fear, a level of fear when it comes to government just as a whole. But those people live 5 miles away from here that MAY as well be 500 miles from local government because it is something so foreign to them. And so I want to represent those people. I want to do what's right. So I think in my opinion and I know we're getting a whole bunch of direction here in a whole bunch of feedback here. But a resolution in the short term can do a lot. I think we should investigate. Would an ordinance MAY look like down the road but also. Something happened. The meantime, we are

the representation of our community and we should be on the front lines standing arm in arm with those that are scared or those willing to fight for those that are too scared to come out and fight for their own. It's >> So I do have I do have a question. So when we talk about in ordinance in sorry, I'm going speak to >> my council members because this is the only time we're able to talk openly and freely because of the round >> So when we talk about an ordinance, we said we were going to come back before. So I would really like to know exactly what is the ordinance going to what are we hoping that the ordinance is going to have in it and when are we gonna come back to even say? >> We made it this far. We have it. This is where we're at because just to say we're going to come back to me. >> do that.

>> I would say we do that quite often. We do that quite often. >> Sometimes we do do that. So I really want to know like concretely. >> We're coming back in this is what we are coming back to address or this is when staff will bring us whatever they have. Rather it's. >> We're still in the midst of it or whatever, but something more concrete than just will revisit it. >> So this takes us back. If I intervene to a part our purpose for having discussion tonight. So we're coming back and staff will come back on NOVEMBER 10th to deliver a draft of new resolution with the with the increases city response turn over to with our city manager and city attorney. Could you take us through through what what the intention NOVEMBER 10th is and 70 in some of the other specifics.

>> Yes, thank you, mayor and council. The intent of the draft resolution that we're doing. It sits. >> Really. The city attorney and her team and the city manager's office has reviewed the resolution that was recently adopted by city of Petaluma. We've looked at draft language that's been present presented and prepared by the sanctuary Coalition. We've merged these into a single draft document relating to a resolution for the city of Santa Rosa. The resolution specifically governs House staff behaves, how we are trained, how we utilize the programs that we have within the city and how we as city employees interact with members of the public and the immigration authorities. It is not intended to be regulations for general public or members of the general public or outside entities or agencies and how they conduct their

business with the city of Santa Rosa is specific to the city's practices policies and staff. And that's why they're really is focus in on U.S. Adopting a resolution which is a policy on how we work with our own team members. If we were to just that and and make it more of an ordinance oriented program that would require meet and confer because it changes the way we interact with our staff is no longer staff governed by our city's personnel rules regulations. It is now staff governed by the authority given under the ordinance which creates misdemeanors and civil liability. Those are issues that remove those individuals as current staff members and makes them into a different authority. And I I really do want to speak out of turn too much. I want the city attorney to correct me if I've come too far astray on that. But but that's really the crux

of it is. We have. Rules and regulations within the city's governing body structure. We have policies that that tell us how are city employees are to conduct themselves and there is a structured mechanism on how we discipline employees along the way for behaviors that are inconsistent with the policies that we have and the resolution allows us to utilize those tools to discipline employees that MAY violate the policy direction. Ordinance removes those rules as the primary, primary tool for how we work with our internal staff. That's where we would require a meet and confer process with the labor unions and they would be providing us feedback and information that we would have to negotiate on during the course of time in order to arrive at language within or as ordinance that would allow us to then come back for some

level of adoption. >> And just clarify, we would adopt for my fellow council members. We would adopt the resolution because that's the fest is. And then we would come back re do the same thing in an ordinance. What not? So my question is if we do the resolution right? >> What are we coming back with an ordinance? What is what exactly is the ordinance? Saying? Is it saying that if someone does something while they're an employee of ours, it's going to be a long haul thing. We're gonna. Strip our rights as an employer to a discipline are staff. And will allow the law to discipline our staff. Is that what we're saying? So >> Intervening in. So we're going into the weeds. And if it's not but it's my understanding. This was part of the purpose of the discussion on the 10th was to get into this level of detail

regarding. >> For more, we suffering for our employees. Is that correct? >> Yes, that was the intent of the NOVEMBER 10th discussion. I will just say, however, if if council is leaning in the direction of asking us to shift to utilize and create an ordinance for this. We we don't believe we can actually accommodate and make that occur before the end of the calendar year. And we would need to move this item off to a far later date so that we can do all of the appropriate mean confers the language, Rick rafting and ensure that we've done this appropriately in context with our community with our with our staff, one of the point of contact for him to come to you, MacDonald, to underline again. We want to bring ourselves in line with the city of Petaluma and their recent resolution as City attorney, you mentioned that.

We also are looking at the attorney general's guidance on this subject. So we're bringing into into alignment statewide. And that's part of our that's part of our goal. Is that correct? >> Yes, that's correct. Our overall goal is to comply with the attorney general's guidance. As city manager said, if the direction is. To come back with an ordinance, then we need to just hear that direction. You know, there are. I'll just leave open let's make sure we know what's on the table right now. Because Ms Rogers, you're asking you're asking the question of what, what's our future plan? What are we trying to accomplish here? >> So >> I was clarifying because I heard some of my colleagues say that they're ok with doing the and they want to move forward, possibly with an ordinance. So my question is.

Are we doing the resolution now? And then we're saying we're going to be the ordinance. Can we have a date when a certain date when we're going to come back with an actual report? Can I can I get something other than and then will combat Serena. Look at the ordinance are when are we gonna request me like what? What is the urgency? What is there a day? When are we gonna come back and do this? Not they come in is in the in the chambers and then we're like, oh, we said we were going to do this a year ago. And now it's a year later and now we're we're looking at it again, like let's get some dates. Let's get a little bit more concrete, even if it is just reporting out where we're at with the mean, can for what the unions, if that's what we as a body are saying that we want to do is to look at moving forward with an ordinance. How are we going to

move that process along? That's what I'm asking. I know what we're doing right now. >> Vice Mayor. Morning. Thank you. >> I think the the >> eat that I've heard the support for an ordinance and a resolution from majority. The council. I could be wrong, but I think that's what I heard today. I think it makes sense. I propose that we move forward with the NOVEMBER 10th resolution and that you begin them confer a process for an ordinance now so that we don't have the community waiting any longer for that process to begin. And then that paves the way for the council to adopt a resolution timely fashion. >> I'm I skipped Donald back to you. Well, pretty much to do what Councilmember Fleming said. I'd like to see the resolution brought forward because we already have it drafted and it's ready for us to come.

>> For direction be the first reading my understanding that would just need to be put on consent for final adoption after the NOVEMBER 11th meeting. So something would occur quickly. If is that correct? That timeline? We would bring the resolution and then it would be effective immediately. The ordinance would take 2 readings and become a for the ordinance, are ok, would also just like to remind the council. Appreciate this conversation that the attorney general's guidance does require that we do adopt. >> Policy addressing training of our employees by the first of 2027. So coming back with this resolution to address that component of the attorney general's guidance, I think The appropriate. So expediting the resolution actually do several things is critical. It sounds like for us to be in compliance Attorney general.

>> For us to get out there with everyone. So as I said earlier, I what we have to do is see the resolution, see what we can accomplish in the resolution. And then at that time we can look at the ordinance that we've already adopted in see what could be amended in the ordinance ordinance from the resolution. That's how I would probably do the steps. Start with the resolution. Things come back and say I would like to add the sings to ordinance. If that's important or not. But until we actually see the resolution in its entirety to see everything that we're trying to accomplish, that we have taken advice from the sanctuary advice from attorney general as well as our own direction that you had from all the council members because I believe your staff is not with all council members on this ordinance as well. Our apartment on the

resolution as well. I want to move forward with the NOVEMBER meeting. I don't want to push this off after the first year. Not just for the compliance of the attorney general, but just for us to make sure we have some things in the process right now. I think that's very important for us to do as as council members and then i would go back in and see what we might want to amend ordinance later on. Thank you. Vice Mayor. Yeah, thank so. >> If we're getting our opinions of what we'd like to do Just to reiterate what I was, what I said, yes, to the resolution in 2 weeks. I believe I heard you say there was going to be some sort of educational component to that presentation about what an ordinance does doesn't do. I'm interested in doing Definitely seeing with that I an ordinance. Sounds like it's going to take months to amend if there's meet and confer and

this process. So I don't I Having that education piece of what exactly it is that we can do what it increases, what MAY or MAY not be able to be due be done during that conversation would be important before we say, let's start that ordinance process now because right now with the Nord and from my understanding is we have a resolution that fairly well bait into what was going to be presented come NOVEMBER 10th and an ordinance. We're talking about conceptually right now as to what it does it without seeing exactly what the ordinance doesn't want to. I don't want to give direction like start toward its process. If it's if it's something that we're going to see in 2 weeks doesn't have. Any more ability to to do more than a resolution does other than criminalizing. Basically actions of our employees only that. I mean, that's a

different county. But is if there's more we can do. I mean, our city here, if there's not, I want to hear that, too. But I'm not ready to say like, yes, start the ordinance process right now because we're talking concept and I die. I don't want to speak in make a decision on hypotheticals and discuss concepts. Less. >> I >> I understand the need to pat to do the ordinance excuse me, the resolution in 2 weeks and I made mainly thinking about sb 580. So I'm okay with that for what it's But I agree with Councilmember Rogers, if if we are going to look at it ordinance or amending an ordinance, I think and maybe we can discuss this on the 10th that we do need some more specific, definite dates. And the reason I say that is because I mean, I had to explain the center our town hall Council member a quickie

remembers of why it took us so long because folks were like, what took you so long since APRIL? And a lot of it was because we had some staff changes. We hadn't you city manager city attorney. A lot was going on after APRIL for us to come back and revisit this issue. So for those reasons and because it does take time and also want to say is someone that works for a public institution and a union member. We did not go through mean can when we were given, we're given direction about how to handle ice. Just want to say that because I keep hearing that over and over again. And I really think we need to look closely at those issues because I'm wondering if there is big as we think because they weren't for me and I'm a union member. So I would know because I'm actually on the Board of my union. So so just want to say that that I I do question how

deeply we have to go in to meet and confer to 2, you know, because I didn't have to. And then and then of our union members. But aside from that, if we are going revisit and I think we should look at what the county did because they also have union employees either way and look at how they went about making that happen. I don't want to criminalize anything, but I do. I just I do hear from the community that. Despite what we're saying and I I hear d I mean, I've been fighting for immigrant rights for most of my adult life, folks. I have MARCH with the United Farm Workers. I've I've done it and >> I'm I'm sorry. I missed the last. We'll talk, but I am usually present at those events because it's so important to me. That we actually get treated like citizens and we don't. And I hear Councilmember Rogers to say. It's everybody. That's

why said none of us are our safe. None of us. So just with those things in mind, I'm fine with the resolution in 2 weeks because I understand 5.80, that's important. But if we're going to commit to bringing back some amendments, I just think we just need some more definite. Maybe not written in stone, but to some definite timelines to do that. >> Thank you. Anyone else, MISTER Alvarez. Yeah. And that's something that was said a little bit ago as well. I agree with the resolution passed now comes into the orders. And to the open. Measures. City attorney to look at not only some county, but also Berkeley is that being mentioned. What differences differentiates us from them apart from the county having the district attorney to take on this case is opposed to our senior staff to implement reprimanding a staff member. Should the

valley one of our policies. So I'm interested in seeing that aspect of the conversation. Thank you. Anyone else? Just lend my support. Also, let's come back come back in the 10th. We have no, no real choice. But to come back in 10th and we were already planning to have more detailed discussion. >> Let's talk as my colleagues have requested more specifically about what we're expecting of our staff and what we want the recourse to be. Clearly, there is you know, we have different conceptual understanding of of where we're trying to go. And so having a very clear presentation from you in the city attorney and that they will helpful and then we can decide exactly how we want to receive in terms of the timeline agreed there to just let let's let's scope it out over the next few months, depending what happens on the

10th. Anything else for All right. Let's close this item. Thank to the community for coming out and making their voices heard. Going to go on to item 9.1. Our report of settlements and active litigation. We're seeing one second one say that Thank you for the reminder. Vice mayor. Yes, before we before we move on radar to our first public comment on non agenda matters are going to go. Which item is that? That item 14? All right. So this is the first chance to make comment on items not listed on the agenda will take the first 12. And let's start with all read the names as they've submitted here. Tom Sawyer, Dwayne Allen, and then Mirlande Tom Duane Alan and Marilyn Tom, is that is that you? You've got to feed, got the floor. >> City Council and honorable mayor strap my name is Tom Sawyer and the engineering project manager for the Santa

Rosa Watershed Technical Assessment. Team and a 40 year resident of Santa Rosa just head to city Council, 10 copies of her 2 page executive transmittal and 17 pages of core audit documentation along with a certified usb thumb drive. Designated is exhibit a. Continuing our full 232 page technical on a package. I asked to use documents be date stamped and formally entered in tonight's Public. Each of you now should have a copy of the executive transmittal in for every jury summary in front you. The primary flood. Fema flood maps that you will be adopting in 2027 have significant errors. One example in a sensitive flood area near the Bennett Valley Golf course. McCann's a creek flows through a 7 and a half foot diameter, covert. However, that covert was modeled as a four-foot diameter. Colbert. 350%. Aaron Flow area. The introduces

large predictive airs into the primary flood map. That model predicts, you know, 100 year storm water will overtop Matanzas Creek into Bennett Valley. Golf Course and flow across the golf course to you. Rupa turn on to tag and floor down. A tone flooding homes in that area. It also predicts flooding of the Safeway shopping share properties throughout that the city. There are approximately 300 properties. The model prediction will be flooded in the Bennett Valley Basin. If these flood maps are adopted, property owners will suffer diminished property value, enforce flood insurance costs, exposing the city to substantial inverse condemnation liability in public. >> Thank you, ordered Wayne Allen and then >> Like use the overhead. Please. And here a map. My name is doing to it from rose

on. This is a map from 30 years ago. Santa Rosa and put it here so that you can see, hopefully this is the Colgan Creek Flood Control Channel, which 20 million dollars in taxpayers money has been spent to repair. Millions of dollars that were spent to make it a flood control channel in the first place. Up here. You have Roseland Creek running through Rosen right there. And that's where we can get some money. I want to show you something here. This as a 20 year-old mapped of Roseland from the Sonoma County Transportation Authority. That's the actual boundaries that the county summits to the federal government. All right. It's 1.2 square miles highway 12. I want to Hearn Avenue Stony Point Road reason I bring this year is so you can not expand. Rosen. Some positives in Roseland where you actually put this portion of Roseland into your downtown specific

area plan. This is from the redevelopment project area, 264 Acres founded and 1984. Because we knew problems existed. Long sub asked road you folks can reach out and get funding to help this general area here. Whatever the Brownfields applications come forward, staff only focuses on the downtown area, sometimes railroad square. Urging you folks to look over here. Roberts avenues here, the job or no to trail. There is money to be had from both the state and the federal government. If you could get staff to reach out and do this. They're not going to do with that your direction and I'll give a deal squat about a citizen activists. What we need is your help. >> Thank you, Kaylee. >> will thank you, everyone. Allen Bulls again and on the previous item heard a lot from all of you about standing with members of our community and I

don't believe you can say that. Well, you're standing for one segment of the community and completely ignore another segment of the community. I don't think that you can say that you're standing with everyone in the community. If you are still allowing weekly rates of homeless encampments and other places where unsheltered people live because they have nowhere else to go to happen where the cops come in and take all their things. That's not standing with the community allowing that to happen, especially when we're about to go into the rainy season where all of the meteorologists are saying this is going to be the wettest and most dangerous winter that we've had in a long time. We need to stop allowing police to come in and take people's shelter and take their belongings and leave them with nothing that they can use to

protect themselves. So please do something about this. Thank you. >> There we go. All right. Thank you very much. Want to go to Merlin and then I'm we Merlin. You have the floor. >> Thank you, As he alludes to tomorrow morning at 07:30am, like most Wednesday mornings. The cops we'll engage in their tour of theft abuse and harassment of unhoused people. They do it right outside my house. They do right next to Sam Jones, shelter where people unceremoniously kicked out without due process. I council person Alvarez and Councilperson Rogers about this had a community meeting. Why are the cops being allowed to violate people's rights to property and due process? And my answer is we're Councilperson Rogers told me that the food wrappers that the city workers never bend over and take. Are things that I might not consider trash but

that everyone else does. That's not what they take. They take people's tents. They take their sleeping bags. They take their medicine, they take their clothes. They take their documents. They take everything they need to survive. >> And then they find some whatever reason they can to threaten or actually arrest people. For being homeless. Councilperson Alvarez's answer was even more interesting. He said he bought the city workers the trailers because he didn't think the cops could fit all of people's stuff in the back of their patrol cars when they steal it. Thanks. Councilperson Alvarez, you unable to theft. >> And you admitted to a community of people. >> Stop those sweeps. Talk about fascism. Where's your violence aimed? >> Thank you. I'm lei. >> Thank you. Hi, good cta.

The my name is in Haiti and I'm a grandma office fee and I've been living in town, some over 10 years. And I town, but I. >> Or love them one of leaders toward a anymore specially about the homeless, a sweet. >> I'm here tool. The upper end. The Milan. >> I mean, just sort every Wednesday, these old you are. >> When >> 7 between 07:00am to noon on is a sweet. The city could. Incredible comes in cleaning the car views take homies That's what make any sense to you. Do you want to will get paid the poor doing Senate seat in the Holmen. Things to Iowa >> ahead, please homeless and neighbors. I really hold cto Peters if you didn't get on case. >> Why do this and could they ever to do You know, there's no reason. Cpd. They want to be mean and Field the shirts,

a out Experian's home Houston. A's. Poor. When we come you up or you'll see you on Saturday. But then you would really get mad and the kick, the butts, the parties. People pleased that saw asap. So my friend that doesn't have to was all of these on the every Wednesday morning. And it's a coming tomorrow. Musical and Ted, what your Saturday. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Please hold the applause. Anybody else in council chambers wish to speak. Seeing none. We'll go online. MADAM MADAM Zoom, Hostess, anybody online with their hand hand raised or dial star 9. >> No hands. Mayor. >> Thank you very much. All right. We're going to bounce around a little bit here. Let's go back and do our statement to Ascension or recusal. Item 10. Are there any statements recession or are accused of evening?

Looking to my colleagues seeing none. All right. Let's jump into our consent. See if we can give staff some of their evenings back. Let's see. We've got this item 13 and we've got items, 13.1 to 13.3. Any questions on any of these items, any was to pull any these items? All right. We'll go to public comment. Is there any public comment on consent? Any consent items? Seeing none in council chambers MADAM Zuma, host, anybody online. All right. Then a look to the vice mayor for a motion. Move items. 13.1 through 13.3 is presented by staff with the modifications item. 13.3. >> Going forward as a motion rather than a resolution is stated on the agenda second. All right. We a motion and a second, MADAM City clerk, you can call the vote whenever you're ready. Just one moment, Mayor. >> Who was the second Mr over

a sink. You? Councilmember Rogers. Councilmember MacDonald tie Councilmember Fleming Councilmember Ben Willows. Yes, Councilmember Alvarez. Vice Mayor Okrepkie. Mayor Stapp. Yes, this potion passes with 7 affirmative votes. Wonderful. Thank you very much. All right. We'll bounce ahead again. We're a report item for the evening 15.1. >> Our report on the issuance of Wastewater Revenue. Bonds series 2026 a and related documents and actions. I know we've got quite the presentation. Croom. I'm delighted that we're discussing bond issuance for the second second meeting we can't do this too often. Welcome back. >> All right. Good evening, mayor staff members, the Council of Thank you's you fared through your cfo, figuring a lot top court. Very pleased to be here this Scott

Wagner, chief financial officer along with Craig Hill serves as the city's financial adviser. But also Craig serves as the city's Bond Council, our municipal advisor during Bond Issuances and introduce this item this evening. This items this evening is to approve the issuance of the 2026 weeks. Water bonds for the electrical infrastructure upgrade over at the Laguna treatment plant. This project was identified in the power master plan of 2023 City Council has had prior review of the project to the approval of design of the design contract. This financing was additionally included in the recent rate study approved by council as well. Today's presentation is focused on the financing aspect of the project, which is the issuance of the bond. As Craig goes through the specifics over the next few slides, I would like to just take a moment to

highlight some of the key aspects of the financing being discussed tonight. One of which is that debt is critical tool to maintain the infrastructure the plant. Overall, there is currently over 500 million dollars worth of assets on books in accordance with the plant, which would cause far more today to replace. But the replacement process and keep our plan properly maintain is an ongoing effort. That debt is a critical tool. The city to consistently be issuing debt to do so. One key know that crime will go through in detail. Is that part of the successes of this financing project 2026? Ponds has been the release of 7 million dollars of cash that was prior tied up in a reserve that we were required to maintain through the city's efforts around being very credit worthy and other aspects we are able to really 7 million

dollars in simple terms were able to free up 7 million dollars worth of cash used towards this project for free. That's a good thing. Additionally, there's some refunding that's going to happen as part of this project through prior bombs. Again, this is good financing that when we go to issue bonds, we not only look at what we need to raise. We look at what we have outstanding and how we can restructure things a little bit better. We're restructuring a couple of those bonds that's going to save us some additional money. The last thing I would lead on. Leave on for turn it over to Craig. He is not overall as part of the rate study. We were anticipating close to 2 and a half million dollar raise and what this would be costing for the debt service from the initial point. But through those efforts of freeing up that cash

restructuring some of our bonds and smoothing out our schedule, actually going to see is a 3 million dollars less than that number that's going to free up in the short term 3 million dollars each year to be able to cash fund some areas of operations that we didn't have prior. So overall, we view this is city staff is being a really successful issuance. And I'm looking for to create taking us specifics. So with that things over to good evening. As Scott mentioned, the item before you tonight is to approve resolutions authorizing the issuance of the bonds. >> I'm gonna go through a few of the parameters that are included in those resolutions. We are looking potentially issue about 50 million dollars in waste, water bonds. This is not on the general fund. This is not part of the budget. This will be purely secured by

rate payers and the sewer collection revenues. It does include 2 major components that 35 million Dollar Project. And as well as approximately 25 million dollars and refinancing of some prior debts. Scott did mention also that we are actually releasing some of the reserve fund proceeds to help buy that down. So while they're 60 million dollars of kind of events that are occurring, where only borrowing 50 million dollars to make that happen. I'd like to highlight that is as part of. The entire debt portfolio that you have just related to wastewater that is represented by the Orange line that you see up there. And it's you're you're paying approximately 27 million dollars a year in debt service. The good news is for the city. You are very conservative community the very conservative approach to how you issue debt. Most

public agencies would look at any of their capitalized, Ed and finance, like we do a mortgage on a house over 30 years. We're talking about all of the debt as currently on the books maturing within 10 or 11 years. So it's you have a lot of capacity to deal with a lot of this cip that the system will require. You are already burdened out in the longer years. For those who like a lot of numbers, this is the table to really qualifies. What is anticipated to be paid over the next 11 years. What we are taking out as part of the refinancing and what we're putting in this part of the new issue, the net difference really is, again, you're probably you're financing a 35 million dollar project. We're estimating that over the next 11 years. You're only going to pay 37 million dollars. To borrow. 35. So through all of this financial engineering that Scott

mentioned, it's effectively only going to cost you about 2 and a half million dollars in interest which a great solution. The resolutions that you're being asked to approve tonight, along with the form of the documents have some premieres and them. So you're empowering staff to move forward. Should you approve the resolution tonight to not issue any more than 55 Million. We're only going show what we need. But there is a legal cap that year is include in there. Also the interest rate. While we do not expected to be 4 and a half percent for setting that kind of is our ceiling rates have been improving. Ironically over the last week. So we're expecting another heading in the right direction as we potentially go to market next week. And you also have a a limit that we're setting on the underwriting costs of a half a percent. The process.

While this has been going on for most of 2026. To come up to where we are tonight. We'll include city council approval. Should council approve this financing? We go into market after the election next week with the idea that the city would have funds for the project and refinance some of the apps and the obligation around the 19th of NOVEMBER sub for Thanksgiving. Do you want me to go through that, ok? So what's being asked tonight as part of the agenda item is adopt a resolution authorizing the issuance of the series bonds, which will include approving related documents. These are in substantially final former draft form. The blanks will be filled and once we know exactly what the interest rates are and the final numbers look like the resolutions will off Also authorize some caps of the bonds, not exceeding

55 million, not having an all-in costs for an interest rate of 4 and a half percent and not having an underwriting discount exceeding half of percent. And with that happy to answer any questions. Thank you very much. And remember from last meeting that Scott and his team are potentially go to prison if we don't do our due diligence. >> And I recall that correctly. >> I yeah. So we come. I will say just as a follow-up to last meeting, you know, we how did you deal call around this around this item and frankly, the training we talked about a lot not only with the rating agencies, but along with the diligence of this process. Again, just think council, I know these things sound ominous and tedious and I really don't want to go to jail. Mayor only get that on the record. They part of this is just good practice.

>> Thank you. All right. Let that focus everyone's mind. Any any questions from council? Just to broader question. So again, we're doing a little bit of financial engineering and taking advantage of of restructuring some of our debt obligations. And we're we're saving ourselves money, giving the city a great deal are. Do we have other debt obligations out their bond obligations? The Rose is also looking is the good Is there more good news to come? >> this >> is all the tricks. I have up my sleeve around our current issuances and really to put this into context, our first conversation around this engineering of the financing structure happened with our underwriter over a year and a half ago. So we set forth a plan here looking at the city's entire portfolio. But that was the Gulf ons. The

pensions done. Courthouse square bonds. We've looked at all of them to answer your question. Mayor, this is it for right now. I think as we go down the road a little bit further, we, of course, are looking at this constantly. And any time there's an opportunity for us to bring an item forward, deceive a million dollars. What we're gonna do it you know, that that makes sense for us. So, yes, we are constantly looking, but I've got no no other debt issuance refinancing, mostly right now. Well, done enough. And what's the what's the total amount that we're going to save in terms of our payments? >> Give us a rough savings. Total savings estimate. Yeah. So I want to be care. So any good finance director gets very jittery when worth saving. So let put that context. I feel really comfortable saying that in the

short term of the next 4 years, we didn't dissipate 3 million dollar growth in overall debt service payments, 12 million dollars on brought about cash flow basis that we're going to better direct in a cash funding. Some projects for says, barring that's great. The second end of this, I think which we're most excited about is freeing up a reserve. That was explicitly for the purpose of our bondholders, knowing that it was there, we couldn't use it. It was just money that's out there. And we don't like money to just sit around. So while that's not a savings, because it was always our money being able to release that to me, I count as another 7 million dollars that we're not having to go to repairs for that was already included in prior debt services. And again, it comes back to this mechanism ultimately ultimately we were able to do

of borrowing 35 million dollars paying only 37 million dollars in this interest rupture. That's phenomenal savings. Absolutely. And thanks for thanks for the nuance there. I will. I will add one. >> Form of savings. And and again, when the city went through its rate setting process or the sewer. This was an anticipated that was baked into what was anticipated on that. The rate increases that the city needed to do. We assumed originally or the rate study assumed that there would be a 30 year financing on that. 35 million dollar need and we're effectively able to compress that into 11 years. So the interest savings is 19 years of interest that, you know, would have been paid. So it's not short-term cashflow savings. This is what freeing up capacity 2 as Scott alludes for future capital projects, most likely to be able to be

paid with cash and not necessarily finance. So always going to be saving those transaction costs and that interest. Yeah, I lost Mary, hear me for one more moment because I could talk about for a long time. 2 creeks point, I think not only just the cash savings here is critical but future capacity is a major thing that we're looking at. >> In that we know that we're developing that capital financing plan at the plant. We know we're going to need capacity for that. So again, this plan not only saves us some money that gives us a really clear path towards future debt, issuance future capacity towards addressing our infrastructure at the plant, which is part of the plan is being developed. >> Craig, that was helpful as well. So as so what is what is a number that when we are out in a community that we can throw out the to boast about

the city's financial document. We We have the 30 36 million from our long-term pension reform. What's what's the number we can here around public? That's a good question. That service number. >> I mean, I guess it the way I would frame this. Somebody were to ask, you know what, what is this doing for the city? I would argue that it is saving 12 million dollars compared to what we anticipated 2 years ago. Use it. That's what that's what I want thank. Thank you very much. Anything counts on where the public comment any members, the public here in chambers wish wish make comment. >> Seeing >> Alright Merlin, you have the floor. It's simple. Bonds are where you borrow money from rich capitalists. Instead. Thanks. Thank you, Marlon. Anybody else in council chambers seeing none.

We'll go online. Lauren, anybody online? >> All quiet. On the zoom front. Mayor. >> We will close public comment and let's see a lot of bringing back here. Looking for a ride, a motion mayor. It's Rogers at you. I lost my last my place in my agenda. Alright, Ms Rogers demotion for us. >> Yes. But prior to the motion, I just wanted to thank Director Burke and cfo Ladner and thank you for the presentation. But thank you both for seeing in need and finding a way to meet the needs. The city. I know cfo since she's been in your position that you definitely have been thinking out of the box in trying to get Santa Rosa in a in a better financial place. So thank you so much for all the work that you've been doing. And with that, I'd like to approve the resolution as presented by

set. >> We have a motion that we have a second by MISS MacDonald. And with that city clerk, you can call the vote whenever whenever you're ready. >> Thank you, Mayor Councilmember Rogers. Councilmember MacDonald. I councilmember Fleming. Councilmember Ben Willows. Yes, Councilmember Alvarez Vice Mayor Okrepkie. I they are step yes. The motion passes with 7 affirmative votes. >> Wonderful. All right. Let's jump back a little bit again. We're trying to get people their evenings back. So let's go back to item item. 2011.1, our request for an agenda item regarding automatic license plate readers. Let's see MISTER Alvarez. I think this was your your request. We will go to any public comment on this item. Oh, there we See was over Larry Carroll. And

then Allen. Please be waiting by podiums, if you can. If you put your name in for public comment Larry Carroll and Allen is Larry here. Is Carol, here. Carol, is that you? Teresa? I'm sorry, Alan rather. Alan, the few of you have the floor. >> so we are on flock at him right? Yeah, I think so. I I again, I'm ella molds. I've spoken multiple times tonight and here at City Council on Flock. Cameras and we've spoken enough that I think, you know how most of the city feels about it. We need to get rid of them. We need to not renew the contract that is coming up a lot of study sessions and a lot of talking about it and not much doing even when the police department held their own incredibly skewed forum, which left little in the way of public comment and input from the public. The little input that was allowed to happen was

pretty unanimous. Everyone wants these things gone at that meeting. What I heard from members of this city council here is that, you know, flock is okay because they said at the meeting that they're not tracking people at that meeting. They said their 28 of these Kong or ptc Pan Tilt, zoom cameras, but do track people. So it's like it's fine. We're not tracking people except the ones we do right. So I think it's time that we. Actually schedule a vote to not renew the contracts and maybe, you know. We can do the study session find. But like after that, I really want to see some actual action come from this body on that. Thank you. Thank you, Teresa Maria and Stephanie. >> Theresa here. Maria. All right. Again, if you put your name in, please be waiting by podium when your name is called Samaria and then Stephanie and then camera.

Teresa go for Theresa. >> center also before being the propaganda. We have the right to our privacy. So, yeah, >> thank you. Teresa and again is Stephanie here. And then can't is Cameron here. Cameron, you've got the floor and only joy and Jenny. So Cameron join Jane take whichever one is closer to you. >> Hold Just catch up here. Just one moment. And this okay. Go ahead. >> Hi, my name is Maria Hernandez and I have a right to my privacy. I'm not doing anything wrong, but I don't want to like being watched. 24 7, thank you. >> Thank you very much. On Muncy. It's Cameron and then join Jenny. >> counsel first yet. Thank you again for just putting this on the agenda. At first wanted to say, this idea by going outside of our homes,

understanding that because people have phones and there are security cameras around that by being outside, we inherently give up our right to privacy and a lot of issues with that. And that's a big assumption about. How we feel about our own privacy right this administration and ai are changing like dangerously fast. We've seen even ai companies saying that they're having trouble controlling their own products, right? And flock cameras. And all the other surveillance are not exempt to this problem. Right? I don't want to be just another city that and Zarif lack contract and then picks up something just as just as bad right? I want to take this opportunity to put in place real protections from not just the cameras. Drones, right? Any form of like ai mass surveillance. We can't predict what it will look like 5, 10 years in the future bat. I

think we can imagine just how bad it can be so I want more than just ending the contract. Want a real broad protections that. Really looking after Santa Rosen's. So thank you. >> Thank you very much. All right. Stephanie is back in the room. Stephen enjoy and Jenny. >> Hi, I've heard a lot of comments about several things that I think relate to flock and this room today. And I feel that there's an attitude of exceptionalism that have peppered a lot of these conversations, which borders on arrogance. I hear that the city employees are really special and that we have good people here and will have accountability if something happens. That's not good enough. We should have an opportunity for something bad to happen. And I don't understand why the thing that makes our employees so exceptional is not extended to

the people that are being surveilled. Hear that you're treating like terrace. We don't need a real time crime center monitoring everyone accessing these cameras. Police have been given way too much latitude here. And I think that we're all here because we have a serious problem with it. You hear spoke about this issue. Sometimes we really technical talking about this case or that case and examples of times that flock is a vast our trust. But ultimately I think this comes down to the fact that you are not listening to us and we don't need to actually wait until this contract is up for renewal to do something about this and fact, just this month, a city in Florida opted to not continue on 3 years into their 5 year contract with flock. We shouldn't be seeing cities embarrassing us in Texas and Florida by being more

proactive than we're being in a place that espouses itself as a liberal safe haven. I hear all this talk about how you support. >> Or that your action speaks so much louder and I need you to start taking us seriously. We can begin with these conversations as proposed by Eddie. It's a start. But I need us to get really serious about being a lot more responsive. Thank you. >> Thank you, Stephanie. Join Jenny in the Wayne. >> Council. Firstly, I'd like to extend my appreciation to council members, Alvarez and Fleming for making the motion which led to this agenda item today. Thank you listen to feedback from your constituents in remembering that in your position, representative of the people, not the flock company or any other billion Dollar Corporation. We've come here today to urge the council vote

yes to commit to bringing this issue before the public on a future agenda prior to our contracts going up for renewal next year. If you vote yes, today I encourage you to publicly share the date we bring this issue back to councils that folks have ample time to plan to attend or submit public comments online on be explicitly clear that this is the bare minimum that you can do in your position to address the concerns of the community. Continue to go back and forth about whether or not you view warrantless surveillance is a violation of our civil liberties over 20 other California cities have recognize the harm of this equipment and opted to remove them from the communities myself. My leaders with flurries task force have not hundreds of doors and each of your districts. Our attempt at making up for the community outreach that you failed to do

before installing equipment and through those conversations at the door, one thing has become clear. This issue is not a matter of left versus right. It's those of us that love this country and all of the freedoms outlined in our Constitution versus those that do not in public conversations. Chief Cregan has continued to push back every time that we reference instances of misuse or harm insisting that's there. It hasn't happened here. But everyday that you wait for some terrible violation to happen here before you do away with this equipment, you are failing your constituents do better council will have no choice but to find representatives that will thank you. >> Thank you, joy. Jenny Dwayne and then Ronnie. >> Again, my name is Jenny Gilpin. I'm here for the Civil Litter Liberties Task Force of

organizing Project to Live in District 2 trust and democracy is the fabric that holds our communities together. It's based on the rule of law checks and balances and then all people are equal. The presence of surveillance is meant to chill and to have us live in fear. It makes all systems of inequality worse. The survey lure always holds power over the surveilled. It gives unequal power unfair power to billionaires over workers. A fascist over the people of sex predators and violent people over victims. Of Klansmen and eyes over black and brown people. In our neighborhoods. You guys recognize me by now. I'm sure chief Cregan recognizes me by now. I have educated myself and I know that Flock is an unethical company that is privately held and has violated California law. Hundreds of thousands of times. Why are we doing

business with them? We're also doing business with other surveillance. Companies that don't even think you guys are educated about. I know I'm not educated about because Chief Cregan isn't being transparent. >> About what he's doing here with the public and these companies are answerable to no one. We need you guys to be our leaders. I'm so disappointed to hear that you feel powerless. We need you to be our representatives. We need you to be the guardrails on our system. Who's going to hold chief Cregan accountable? If it's not you guys, what are we gonna do? Our community, our fabric here. Our trust in each other's breaking down and I need you guys to step up and put a stop a slowdown. Cancel the contract, cancel the data sharing agreements, do something to the people can build trust in our leaders and representatives once again.

Thank you. >> Thank you. Jenny is Dwayne here. All right. We'll on to our island Bronny Camila Morrone. >> Hello again. I'm here >> Thank Alvarez and bombing for starting this motion and having this agenda is today and encourage all to have this study session. Everyone's aware of Saucon obeys happy with farc. We needed the fox Santa Rosa. Nobody feels more safer with Sig surveillance. I'm a frequent can answer that talks to community. No one's aware these cameras until I knock on their door and way I don't really feel very comfortable being surveilled taking my kids to school do my groceries, washing our clothes at the laundromat. And it's just setting the PRESIDENT From a surveillance state. And this talk of how it is in a violation of the Constitution. Again, normalizes surveillance Tay. And I don't want to be

raising my young in sin and that future. I want them to be able to go to the park and be free without cameras watching them. I want them to be able to, you know, have a future where they don't have to worry about all eyes on them all the time. We've talked about how many black and brown folks are feeling criminalize. Racial profiling is a huge issue, especially with the intersection with ice. And so these surveillance cameras had more to that pressure and anxieties of existing and California are existing United States solely based on you know, type skin color, hair texture, we need to be safe in our homes. And these cameras are not the answer. Thank you. Thank you. Running Camille Merlin and Alana. >> It's Camille. I'm from District 6 and I'm an outreach Gurley. I'm going to talk about that first. I'm not here to fight you. I'm just here to

reflect back to you when I'm feeling as a constituent. And I believe that on both sides of the day, we both are having times when we feel like there's just no way to win here. And so I want to tell you about a time that I did feel some alignment. I went to the Human Rights Commission's a panel where Caroline Banuelos and other elected city officials answered questions from us. The people about flock and I want you to know that it matters deeply to us that y'all in the city do like some major, profound outreach. I understand that there have been times on the agenda when in the past when big crowds were not here to talk about flock, I'm sorry that we weren't there. And also I'm just going to be real with you. I kind of don't feel like any of us in here are really surprised. There are times when there are significant decisions made

about us about things are going to impact us. And there's just not that outreach people. We don't, you know, word Darke County and I would say most counties in the nation, we're not really a pure bureaucracy litter. It kind of group of people. So I really want to tell you how much it meant to me that city officials made time to listen to us. Even though like yeah, gets rowdy. We're upset. But, you know, we we actually can move through that and it it can be ok, we can find alignment. We both want solutions. And we don't want flock and you can expect us to not want other things that are like flock when it does come up for renewal. But I just want to tell you that it really matters to me. I know you don't hear the word. Thank you. I'm not really in the mood to say thank you very often. But it seriously does make a difference. When you

put energy out there and encourage us to come out facility that make it easy for your constituents to do democracy with you. Thank >> Thank you, Marilyn Elena. And then Sarah. >> So fascism on the item on the agenda again. What do you know and mass U.S. Surveillance? Cops have used flock to track their ex-girlfriends to stock them. They can use it to track any one of us. Any one of you any time they feel like it. You shown time and time and time again week after week, year after year, decade after decade. >> That you are not interested in holding them accountable for violating people's rights. >> So what we need to see is the cameras down. We can't trust. Do we can't trust them to use them responsibly, take them down. Take them down tomorrow. I don't care on track says it doesn't enable

you to violate people's rights. Take them down tomorrow and then figure out whether you like to pay the fashions, private corporation to surveil all of us and keep all of our data. The answer's no, by the way. As if tracking all over license plates. Everywhere we go. Every 24 hours a day isn't bad enough. Those cameras take full video in order to have their ai. It's not do optical character recognition on the license plates to feed their database with our data. But they're taking full video and you have no idea what they're doing with it. And they've week today to like over and over and over and over and over again. Have you been to your doctor? MAY be they can sell you nice prescriptions. Have you been to a meeting about getting ice out of our communities? They know. A violation of our rights. Every time we step on to the Public

Street. No, thank you. Get rid of them, take them down tomorrow. Whatever your contract says, no, violating our rights, get rid of them. Thank you, Alina. >> Okay. So I actually read this thing that I wrote like that back in JANUARY, FEBRUARY about Flock. So this has been an issue on the public's mind for a long time. This is what are out there. At least 200 flock cameras that have been installed in Sonoma County, 130 of them are in Santa Rosa as our pd has contracts with flock, totaling 1 million, 319,649 dollars flock is backed and funded by Peter Teal, ceo Palantir is quietly creating the most extreme ai mass surveillance network across the nation and handing this data to ice on a silver platter in their mission to hunt down kidnap us all and threaten U.S. Citizens, immigrants and migrants. There have been so many reports of

flock illegally allowing ice to access its data bays. >> All year long, like I don't know if you've been if you had your head in the sand, but Flock has been the discussed like a huge nationwide discussion. >> I talked to you, mayor staff at the srpd meeting that was held last month about flock. That was really just like a pr stunt for in favor of flock. You mention that you don't think the public is ready to have this discussion, which is why you don't think it should be a study session item. And I just disagree. It's been something that we've been talking about. Even we've been talking about it under the vague term of like Public Safety Subcommittee, community Empowerment plan. Blake Flock has and mass surveillance has been talked about at every one of those So, yeah, let's talk about it. If you want to have a study session, I think we

all know what we want and what we need. And we do not want this warrantless federal level of service master valence with unprecedented ai technology. So. Eddie Mair stat to talk about it. Are >> That's perfect. Thank you. >> hi, Mayor. Stop. You probably don't remember me from our conversation. We had was in the same breakup group with Alana. And at the fox meeting as our pd. How old you are quoted that night. But as Rjc reported that night saying you supported Flock. >> For the record. Every piece of data collected by fox License Plate readers is owned controlled by the customer, whether that customers, the City County School District, a private organization, customer ownership is foundational to help Lock operates decisions about whether when and how data is shared are made by the customer that owns the data. Not by Flock. There is no

hidden backdoor access. In park technology. If a local agency chooses not to collaborate with a federal identity, including eyes lock has no ability to override that decision. Similarly, if a community chooses to work with the federal agency, fox has no ability to change that decision either. Obviously this ties into the agenda earlier for sanctuary coalition ordinance and the accountability protections the community is asking for. I wish we could have had this conversation alongside that conversation because I think these 2 things are very much tied into each other. The community wants protections, accountability yeah, that's all I have to say. Thank you. >> Thank you. Alright, are there any other members or any members of the public with in council chambers you wish to make public comment. Seeing none. We'll go online. Learn

anybody online with her hand raised or anyone without star 9. >> Indeed, mayor. All right. Right. >> And we're going to start with you again, followed by Larry. And I've been able permissions go right ahead. >> Thank you. Hello again. My name is Double. I live in centers. I'm in district 2. I attended both the Srpd Human rights collisions. Talks on flocking from both of them. Very informative, though, and very, very different ways. I would like to extend my profound gratitude >> to councilmember Ben for showing up. And being real with us. That meant so much as a community member and a greatly increased my trust in you that you're willing to meet with us and listen to what we had to say in that context. No, we don't lock, you know, when a replacement for flock. Mass surveillance

of this kind? Well, it MAY be an effective enforcement tool. We're not really as worried about that as we are about the capacity of an authoritarian governments to utilize. And I was the state and weaponized against us, which will happen. It is happening. We're on a very, very slippery s# # # # here. With regard to privacy with regard to public safety and the best way to keep sliding down that s# # # # is to not feel the slide. Please get rid of the cameras. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Maybe moving on to Larry, followed by Megan. If there's anybody else on zoom who'd like to speak, please raise your hand now. Or star 9. If you dial then. Larry, go right

ahead. I've been able permissions. >> just want to make my saving against the use of flock and that. Examination of this contract. Should be immediate and also the city should look carefully into the kinds of statements that we've heard this evening statements that has been implicated many times in using flawed data statements that. Data is often alone is and has led to and of people were just your own easily identified by this time. But this technology. Statements that there is full video being taken not just to identify the license plate but could prove soon lead to have facial recognition. So these are items which MAY or MAY not have been looked into by the city before they originally signed his contract. But it is certainly time to examine these issues. Now. >> Thank you, Larry. Meghan's up next, followed by euro.

Megan, I'm able permissions, go right ahead. >> Hi, my name is Megan Coffee. I want to echo. >> The >> gratitude of some of the speakers for bringing this issue for allowing us to comment on this issue, which is my belief really, really important. You probably already know. But I just want to repeat that. Flock cameras where they are in use are already being abused. In one case. But I heard about there was a need police officer you know, legally had access to flock, but she gave the password log-in information. To partner who worked for ice so that he could illegally use information 2 just basically search for anyone within the Hispanic. We have Hispanic sounding name something name. Anyway, you and again, you've heard about the officer stocking their exes the fact that this can happen. Is

enough to know that it will happen. There are no safeguards against it. Therefore, I call on you to do 3 things. Take contract renewal off the consent calendar. So there has to be a vote and then vote no on renewal and refuse any 3rd reviews. Any mass surveillance as acceptable for police use? It is a violation of our constitutional rights. It's already being abused, which means it will be abused. I also want to echo some of the other speakers who said let's not even wait until the policy is up for renewal. That's cancel it as soon as possible. Thank you. >> Thank you, Megan. We are moving on to if there's anybody else after Yarrow. Now's the time to raise your hand. Euro. Been able permissions. Go right ahead. >> thinking was army on fall. Think call. >> Overall reasons why lot

going have these cameras on our Louisville cover an awful battle. Okay. All of those moving down it's because we don't really care what constituents want. That I don't need And >> the hash all the stuff that everyone else is. Shared. But I just want to encourage you to why not renew contract? Not when are not to a different contract with the mass surveillance private company. Like out to the Cardinals down. As soon as possible. Thank you. >> Thank you. Maya. You are next. And if there's anybody else after my app, please raise your hand. Now I have enabled your permissions. Go right ahead. >> Hello, everyone. I'm also a lifelong Sonoma County resident who's been in the city centre of the specifically for over 10 years. My name is Mike Obeyed. I also was at the Flock

Committee for a meeting on the 19th hosted by the Human Rights Coalition. It was excellent. Panel. I learned a lot. I really appreciate everyone who spoke in Everett organized to shut up never who commented. And I'm just to get another person whose anti flock in Santa Rosa. Similarly on my reasons of previously been stated by other speakers. But I mean, I'm in the same boat with everyone who says, please and where flock cameras, please take them down. Please start renew. I think there's a lot of us even more who commented today even more who came to that panel who feel this way and even more who would feel this way if they're aware of how many cameras? Because I had no idea how many we even had in Santa Rosa before attending for him on the 19th. So one more anti Flock voice. Thank you. Thank you. My man. >> Mayor, that does it for the

zoom folks. >> Thank you very much. All right. Bring back to right to counsel a motion and a second, MR. As the way. Thank you, mayor. >> Wanted to make a motion to bring those things as in forward on future agenda regarding automatic license plate readers prior to any future contract. Renewals. All right. We have a motion. I get that second. Dennis Rogers. MADAM City clerk, you can call a vote whenever you're ready. >> Thank you, Mayor Councilmember Rogers. Councilmember MacDonald. I councilmember Fleming. Yes, Councilmember and Willows. Yes. Councilmember Alvarez, Vice Cookie. I MAY or stab yes, motion passes with 7 affirmative votes. Wonderful. >> All right. One item, 11.2 point to request for agenda item regarding farm animals within city limits. Quite a change of pace here. MISS

MacDonald. This was this was your item. Let's go to public comment. Please tell me we have members of the public that want to talk about farm animals animals. But inside the city limits of Santa Rosa. No need to rush for the door. All right, Tony, let's get let's alternate between the podiums, voting number one, go for it. >> I counsel my name is Jacques James Miami, Santa Rosa resident. And I'm a strong believer in a robust local agriculture system that includes home gardens chicken and quail and rabbits and all that jazz and everybody should have a right to food and food, sovereignty to be able to sell their food and eat their food. However, they please. It's important when this industrial food system is slowly eating away at our natural resources on our soil. We need to make a change in. This is a good way to start it happen. And thank

you. Thank u next podium. >> Personally, >> very like worried about our food systems collapsing and >> a weakening day by day just with extreme weather events, extreme climate change and to me like it feels like the only way forward. Is by allowing for each community too, take their own grows and their own food production more into their hands. Ideally, that's something we see all around the county where if some farms get wiped out in California right? We have all these other cities that are growing their own food who can share it right. This feels like a good step in the right direction, preparing for I mean, the climate crisis that's already happening here. It's really scary. So I mean, farm animals, right? The ability to make regular people who grow food just in their backyards or have animals or chickens in their backyards to actually

have some, you know, economic opportunity from that. So, yeah, making it possible for people sell eggs or sell milk, right. I think is a huge step in the right direction. So thank you for putting Yeah. For thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone else in in council chambers seeing none or go online. Lauren, anybody online with her hand raised. >> Sadly, mayor know. >> Thank you, Lauren. Alright, Ms MacDonald, back to you. >> Thank you. I just want to start by saying that my great grandfather came here as a farmer and I was forms or Asian on a family farm and 5 generations living there. So I am all for farmers and agriculture and my mother opened the for one of the first organic garden companies here in Santa Rosa. So I want to make it clear that I'm for gardens animals, but we have continuously received

complains about roosters in the city of Santa Rosa. >> And we then noise that they can cause and and disruption. And sir, how some of our animals are kept on city property. So we I would like to bring the ordinance forward so that we can review it. Whether we make amendments to it or not, should be. Looked at by all So that's the purpose of bringing it forward. I think right now we are of using the county's ordinance on our animal control. So I think that it's important that we take a look at it and see if it's appropriate within the city of Santa Rosa limits because things have changed as we've grown as a city. Second. Second, been one those are motion. A second. MADAM City clerk call the phone number ready. >> Councilmember Rogers? What we do the night. I I okay we could. We could hear.

Councilmember Macdonald. I councilmember Fleming. Councilmember Ben Willows. >> Yes. Councilmember Alvarez. Vice Mayor Okrepkie. I. Mayor Stapp yes. The motion passes with 6 affirmative votes with Councilmember Fleming abstaining. >> Thank you. Right. Back item 11 mayor and Councilmembers reports. MAY want to make a report this evening. MR. Fleming, let's start with you. >> Yeah, I a little piece good news that I wanted to share with everybody, which is that earlier this year I worked on transit-oriented communities policy, which we've all heard so much about. And I championed renter and tenant protections in there and Enterprise Community Partners, which is a national nonprofit, nonprofit Housing builder, his name change maker of the year and Thursday night there's a gallon Francisco and you're all very welcome to attend.

Let me know if you're at all interested, but I just wanted to tell you all really proud of the work that I did. It was a team effort, I'm being recognized for it. And I love that you all there. >> Outstanding. Thank you for Willis. Sorry, I just a couple things. I attended the West and quarterly meeting last weekend. >> Just shared some infrastructure projects you all know. You heard a lot of them tonight that are going on in the district. And that's where I learned about the roundabout, which I'm like so I know. I'm weird. Do I what? Because I didn't know about it. And so so there's that. And as you all heard it, I also. Participated in in the flock form that was put on by the Human Rights Commission as well as chief Cregan some other council members supervisors. Sheriff, many other folks was a big panel

well, it ended >> I think the community definitely has strong feelings about flock. As you all know. So I'm looking forward to when we have our study session then the last thing. And this actually went to that Credo high school last week, even though Credo isn't runner Park. They have students from all over the county there was a young student in my district. You asked me to come and speak to them to current government class. It was really, really very touching that her teacher contacted me afterwards it was very supportive a lot of great questions. Probably more than the students. But that's something that I really enjoy doing. And I think we ought to whenever we get asked to come and speak, particularly about voting and what it's like to be a public official. So. Excellent. I hope you also recruited into Sonoma State.

Mr. Donald. Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to report on the last ways to meeting that we had on OCTOBER 15th. We have a couple different events happening here in Santa Rosa. One on NOVEMBER 10, h hw Collection event in Santa Rosa and >> on NOVEMBER 14th, a repair affair here in Santa Rosa. And information on that can be found at the 0 waste. >> website and >> as far as we awarded the >> swimmer 10 buildings. If I'm saying that correctly to be the construction management team for the new Hazard Waste Disposal site and their entire approaches around team collaboration. Online dolla, Dayton, deliver what the community wants to have because they're using recycled material. Additionally, take 16 to 18 months to build the facilities so their entire presentation was very interesting and informative. There's a couple pieces of the

legislation that are coming about that will actually have an impact on the city. One is the disposal of nicotine vapes and it prohibits having beeps that are that are not reusable are rechargeable in our stores. The disposal was another one that came about. And there's a piece of legislation that passed around how the look, they've been targeting children. So a lot of them look like a Sharpie pen video game pieces. And so all of those are going to be outlined similar to what happened in the cannabis industry when packaging was used to kind of target use. This is something that they're going to be doing for. I tobacco as well. And let's see batteries and how other outdoor equipment is used. So for e-bikes where those will have to be disposed are looking at all of that now because that's coming forward. And another one is nitric

oxide canisters. So that was something that they talked about. Their only going to be sold in specific locations. So that kids can't get a hold of those as well. They're going to be extending farm to food bank tax credits as a voluntary food bank contribution. And so they'll be a tax credit for people contribute food to the food banks. That's Thank you. Rogers. Thank you. Have 2 very quick things on OCTOBER, 17th, I attended the floating pumpkin patch and they had over 800 registered participants. They had 3 sessions. It was a warm, beautiful day. >> Thank you to neighborhood services and recreation and parks for putting that. >> I said I'd like to thank Jeff to >> for helping to move forward with equitable Santa Rosa. We have In the past that we would like it 2 hat. So. Those that

can afford activities and those that can not afford a. The same price can attend the same activities. And parks and Recs are making that happen. So thank you very much. I do feel heard and on OCTOBER 22nd I was able to obtain the second annual big is. >> Hacks for U.S. Networking event. >> So thank you to our economic development division our see you for hosting such a wonderful informative event. They had wonderful guest speakers and it was great and I'm looking forward to seeing everyone on Thursday evening at the fairgrounds for the trunk or treat. I am very excited about So thank you very much. Srpd and the rest of our department that are contributing in putting that on. Thank you. Thank you. Vice Mayor. Thank you, MR. Mayor. >> Just one quick thing to add on to myself as well as Councilmember Rogers and the

mayor himself were in attendance on the 15th at Ari by community meeting that the Santa Rosa Police Department put on. It was very educational events to the point a young teen came in with his electric bike and the police department to the motor team right there pointed out to him that is actually emo do any legal for you to ride. So he had to walk at home and it was education for the community last week. On Thursday, they did the same thing. Maria creo and if you are not able to attend to learn all about e-bikes any motos it is on the YouTube see Santa Rosa. So thanks to the police doing that. Thank you very quickly. And we had a meeting of the 80 of County Aviation Commission on OCTOBER 15th with the summary being there are more flights where the airport is expanding. Lots of construction of the parking lots, runways and cetera.

>> That is an economic driver for the county and that is growing. And then also I want to commend the the city's economic development team on the 22nd Day. How are they hosted the Biz Expert Express and networking event in partnership with Redwood Credit Union. So we were one of the leaders amount that we're of that of that event. But it was also the Better Business Bureau, the Hispanic chamber, the North, center is a metro chamber. A number of other organizations cooperating to make sure that small businesses have the support and mentorship that they need. It was well attended. Kudos to our team for putting it together and then another shot out. Thank you, MR. Rogers for the trunk or treat this Thursday from 4 to 8. If we have any members of the press here in the audience and those are the photos he from our

neighborhood kids going around with all the city departments. So we hope many, many of the community are able to attend and that concludes our mayor and Councilmembers reports. Are there any members of the public in council chambers who was made public comment? Seeing none. We'll go online. Lauren, anybody online with her hand raised. >> No mayor, her zoom room looks much like the chamber right now. >> Wonderful. Thank We have to go back one to our report of settlements and active litigation that I We do that one earlier. We did not do that one or not. Mayor, this is what you've all been waiting for. All right. Let's meet his home actually, ok? Well, there are no settlements or judgments to report out for the month of SEPTEMBER. >> As of OCTOBER 12, 2026 are active. Caseload was 47 litigation matters with trial

date assigned to 6 matters. 5 cases are currently on appeal following rulings in favor of the city at the trial. Current level. And that concludes my report. >> Thank you. Any public comment on that report in council chambers? Seeing none anybody online negative one 2 city manager, not I'm skip right over. You have report from you. I have no report tonight. Oh, thank heavens. All right. I mean, normally normally I look forward to it. But all right. We will move on then to item 12 approval of minutes. We have 2 sets of minutes. The 10/7/2026, OCTOBER. 13th 2026, any amendments, any edits? One abstention from MacDonald. I think that's it. Any public comment on minutes in council chambers. Lauren, anybody online, no. All right. We We will adopt the minutes as submitted. And that takes us. Then to our final public

comment on non agenda matters for this evening. Is there anybody in chambers who wishes to make comments on any and it is not lost on the agenda? Seeing Lauren, anybody online with her hand raised. Thank u everyone. We are adjourned.